Is it possible to have client prediction without resimulation?

None · 2022-10-15T18:21:23

(This post turned into a bit of a rubber-ducking session, apologies for that)I'm working on a first-person game I've wanted to create for a long time. I'm starting by designing the general architecture, which includes the multiplayer architecture.I'm very keen on the server being 100% authoritative, such that the client only sends inputs. This is easy. I also want to have client prediction. This is also easy. The problem comes when trying to reconcile what the client predicted against what the server calculated.Most articles (including the venerable Gabriel Gambetta one) discuss client prediction in combination with rollbacks and resimulation. The issue is, my game is intended to be physics-heavy and I don't want to deal with the cost of resimulating potentially many frames in a single tick, not to mention I'm working with Godot and there's currently no way to manually step the physics engine. I don't care about super precise shooting mechanics or some general desync.My current rough (untested) plan is to have all entities store a buffer of previous states. The server frequently updates each client with what their current “time” value is based on the server's time + halfRTT. By the time the message arrives, on average, the value the server sent should approximately match the server's wall clock time. The client now has a way to record state against the server's time. Then when the server sends a state update to the client, it includes the current server time along with the state. When the client receives the message, it can check back through its stored entity states to find the nearest on to the given server time. It can then compare that against what the server sent, and if it's close enough, ignore it.The great thing about doing it this way is that the entity can look at an arbitrarily large range of stored states surrounding the time value received from the server. If any of them match the server state or are close enough, we can ignore the server state. This means we can make the predictions arbitrarily forgiving.But this is where it gets tough. When a server message arrives on the client, the client is already halfRTT ahead of the server. It looks back through its history of previous states and finds the appropriate one that should be close to the server's state at the point it sent its message to the client. If they match, good. If not, what do we do? Well, naively, you could just set the client state to the server state. The problem is, now you've forced the client entity into the past. When the next server update arrives, the client will once again mismatch and be forced to snap to the server states. At this point, unless the player stops moving for a while, you'll be stuck in an endless loop of forcing predicted state back to server state.I've been wondering whether I could “nudge” the client state towards the server state. Something like this:Vector3Double positionDelta = State.Position - recordedEntityState.Position; float positionNudgeRate = 0.01f; Vector3Double newPosition = Vector3Double.Lerp(recordedEntityState.Position, serverState.Position, positionNudgeRate); State.Position = newPosition + positionDelta;That might work. It assumes the prediction was mostly correct. I believe it has the potential to put clients inside walls (and thus subsequent recorded states could be wildly inaccurate if the physics spits them out the other side), but I think it will correct itself over time. As long it's “eventually correct” it should be ok.For boolean values (like whether the player is holding a weapon currently) it's not such a big deal. We can snap to the server state without too much risk of glitchy behaviour because the value is unlikely to change again soon.I know most RTSes and MMOs don't do client prediction, but they're also not usually high-speed games and tend to be have point-and-click interfaces. I find it hard to believe that very large FPS games like Star Citizen would be resimulating in the event of a misprediction (the cost and complexity!!), yet they clearly do client prediction.Are there any resources I could look at for doing client prediction without resimulating? Or if anyone has any clever suggestions I'd love to discuss. Perhaps I should run the client in the past? I'm not sure, I can't get my head around how that would work. I know I've done a pretty rough job of explaining my plan and maybe what I want simply isn't possible but any thoughts welcome.

Networking and Multiplayer Programming prediction Rollbacks

Started by Clonkex October 11, 2022 01:01 AM

11 comments, last by hplus0603 1 year, 7 months ago

Clonkex

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October 13, 2022 09:19 PM

hplus0603 said:
You kind of get to pick any two :-) Server authoritative, Client predicted, No resimulation.

Very probably. But I haven't given up yet :D

hplus0603 said:
In case the client is accelerating, braking, or turning, then this won't give you a perfect correction.

I think if the prediction is accurate it should be close (unless there's a lot of RTT jitter), and I can blend the corrections on the visuals (not the simulation though). But I've stopped trying to speculate and I'm just building the system to test it lol.

hplus0603 said:
There's also still the problem that you have to re-simulate at least one step, because the predicted correction position might be inside a wall or something.

Yeah it might be. I'm ok with that so long as it shortly fixes itself. There's some potential for ending up outside the world and then being permanently stuck there but I have some theories as to how I can handle that situation easily.

hplus0603 said:
One option is to decide on this position, then sweep the players collision proxy along a line segment made up by current/predicted positions, and then stop the closest you can get.

Great suggestion! This might work on low ping but I suspect it might be unreliable on high ping (since the player could be a long way ahead of the server). However it's a really good idea (which I think I vaguely had in the back of my mind, but hadn't really thought about) and I'll definitely test it (since it should stop the player ending up outside the world). Thanks!

I will of course report my findings and describe my final setup here. I also might post my stripped-down project as a reference framework on Github if it works well. I might learn something when people tell me I'm doing things the wrong way lol.

Man, I haven't been active on any game development forums for years. I forgot how nice it is to just discuss things with smart people.

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October 15, 2022 06:21 PM

Clonkex said:
since the player could be a long way ahead of the server

Yeah, there needs to be some amount of distance that you just don't interpolate, but instead “snap” to.

Clonkex said:
I will of course report my findings

Please do! We look forward to it.

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