.NET!? GRRR

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Original post by liquidAir
The system i use runs Win98 which means il have to spend bout $200 for the upgrade

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MS is obsoleting Win98 soon, so you should do that anyway.

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well, maybe il stil continue using Win98. SE (Second Edition) I forgot to tel you that! at least its stil a functionin OS, isnt it?

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MS is obsoleting Win98 soon, so you should do that anyway.

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Interesting, do you know how they are planning to go about that? There are quite a few of us still using Win98 so how will MS convince companies to drop support for the OS in their applications?

By pointing out that they suck, I imagine.

they won''t offer support for those platforms anymore.

And are you talking about the .NET framework? cause that runs on any system >= windows95.

Visual Studio.NET works only on XP, NT and 2K, but I think (not 100% sure) that the SDK works on anything.

Also, VS.NET isn''t the only solution to creating .NET applications (although it is pretty darn good). Look into this guy:

Sharp Develop

It''s free.

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Original post by liquidAir
RRR! Well I dont like .NET cos it only works on Win2000, XP or NT4.0

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Umm, no one says you have to use it!

Why do people whine about this stuff? Find something that you can use and use it.

.NET works on windows 98 etc but not win 95. If you go and read the info on the download for the .NET framework then you would know. The only thing it does not support is some server stuff.

go look at the SDK for .nET

[edited by - themonkster on December 4, 2002 1:37:46 PM]

what about something free like linux?

plenty of tools, nice community of folks etc.

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You get what you pay for.

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Is that why Microsoft keeps repeating that Linux actually costs more than Windows?

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Original post by HenryApe
Interesting, do you know how they are planning to go about that?

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http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle.mspx

Umm, what are you getting at HenryApe? I''ve been running Linux since Red Hat 4.0 was around, and the only thing it costs me to use it was the price of the CD on the shelf at that time and the hardware I was running it on. Now, I can download the latest CDs directly from the Internet and burn them.

If I compared the cost of the software I needed to purchase on Windows (paint programs, image editors, 3D modellers, compilers, IDEs, FTP software, file sharing tools, source code management software, etc) it would (and has) costed many $1000''s of dollars.
And considering software has a shelf life of 2 years, I need to reinvest more money every 2 years to get updated to the latest versions.

Whereas Linux costed me the price of the CD to burn it on and the cost for bandwidth to download it. That''s all there is to it. No licenses. Free upgrades. Source code available for me to modify if need be. Everything I need is freely available and open.
Unlike closed tools which I can not change or modify if I need to (and inevitably every tool I ever used had something I wish I could change or fix).

Whatever rant you heard about is utterly false. Being a real user for many years I have saved a considerable amount of money not only on software but hardware. I still have my old outdated machines running Linux and still performing for me. Unlike under Windows where it would not even be possible to run XP on anything less than a P3. I have tried on a P2450 and it was unbearably slow (so was Windows 98 for that matter). My P3 550 barely runs Win98, but it is very useable with Linux.

he was referring to total cost of ownership (TCO), which includes maintenance, setup costs, salaries for support people, availability of said people, downtime, upgrade time, etc. besides the cost of software itself.

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Original post by DaMangz
Umm, what are you getting at HenryApe? I''ve been running Linux since Red Hat 4.0 was around, and the only thing it costs me to use it was the price of the CD on the shelf at that time and the hardware I was running it on. Now, I can download the latest CDs directly from the Internet and burn them.

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When you''re running a business, the initial cost of the hardware and software is usually quite insignificant compared to the cost of hiring people to look after the system. Linux professionals generally cost a lot more than Windows professionals.

Of course, that''s really only an indicator of the relative "maturity" of the two operating systems. Once Linux gets better accepted in the industry, more people will be trained in using it, and the cost of said professionals will decrease.

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