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Started by Oluseyi Dec 12, 2002 at 11:01 PM 19 replies 1.6k views
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Oluseyi
Oluseyi
TV sucks. Bad. The Symptoms I mean, there are actually some good shows on TV that I might occasionally like to watch, but they''re either on at inconvenient times or they''re directly opposite something else I want to watch more (eg Alias goes head-to-head with The Sopranos - and loses every Sunday, unless I decide to watch the HBO rerun on Tuesday). Show times aren''t all that''s wrong with TV by a long shot, though. TV has a definite lack of content, and no one gives you what they claim. MTV? Where''s the fscking music?! All I see is stupid reality shows and attention whoring veejays. MTV is so bad that to get the content it supposedly provides you, you need to go get MTV2! (Now what''s up with that?) BET? Actually, let''s not even go there... ESPN doesn''t show enough damn sports; it''s all talk and analysis - SportsCenter, Pardon The Interruption, Around The Horn, The Reporters, The Reporters 2. Can I see som sports? Not seven seconds of footage followed by two minutes of "analysis" and "insight" (half those fools don''t even know what they''re saying - Tim Hardaway is an analyst? Sean Avery is a fscking analyst?!) The Disease Congestion. Overcompetition. Cost. Every TV channel is trying to make money, right? But consumer attention spans have shortened over the years as more and more "content" (and I use that term in a sense looser than a $2 crack whore) vies for their time. It''s gotten so bad that even the news is sensationalized to improve ratings, resulting in the general populace being less informed as a result of watching the news! (Last year coverage of shark incidents at beaches was so high that most people thought it was the worst shark year in the last 20, except that the actual number and rate of incidents was the lowest in 15 or more years.) Fundamentally, the problem seems to be that TV channels aim at overlapping demographics, thus minimzing returns for virtually all parties, and then have the problem exacerbated by the temporal nature of the delivery medium. The Cure Cable viewers may have noticed the advent of "OnDemand" channels, allowing the user to view content at their leisure. I believe that the On-Demand metaphor be expanded to cover all of TV, which necessitates interesting alterations to the production methodology and revenue model. An idealized use case with myself as the consumer would allow me to come home after a day''s work and decide that I want to relax while watching some TV, maybe getting a little news and then catching a good game. From my SuperSpiffyRemote™ I select a news update from my preferred choice (options are categorized by region, time, subject, etc), then add a TV show or two to my playlist followed by, say, a soccer match - Juventus vs Ajax or so. I hit play and begin to unwind while moving about my living area and consuming media. Since this paradigm is analogous to consuming streaming media over the web, it''s only natural that I be able to pause, fast forward, rewind and terminate a session. Requirements Analysis: Infrastructure We already have a fair amount of the infrastructure necessary for a system like this. In essence, we have a menu service (your cable provider) which allows you to browse indices and set up customized playlists, etc, all transactions being communicated over a network analogous to mixing today''s cable networks with the internet. Ideally, the user should be able to access any program offering list worldwide, but the provider menu is an ease-of-use tool (and the first revenue-generating service after basic connectivity). As far as physical connections are concerned, our current technology is quite capable of supporting such a system. Requirements Analysis: Channels, Studios and Production A traditional TV station/channel such as FOX 24 (or whatever) would lose much of its identity since user consumption really shifts from being channel-centric to being content-centric. This empowers the studios creating the actual shows since they now are encouraged to seek non-exclusive contracts with a variety of service providers worldwide in a much more "syndication"-friendly environment. Instead, the traditional station is altered into a content producer as well, creating news reports, investigative reports, small movies and the like and being able to distribute them via mutlipe service providers to the widest coverage possible. With a system like this, it should be possible for a man in Jakarta to watch news updates from the Piedmont Triad in North Carolina, keeping an eye on how his family/friends/loved ones are faring with local, focused reporting. Studios and fledgling shows are liberated from the grip of the networks, since a small but cheap-to-produce show can continue filming even if they can only find one service provider to carry their content. This means that the choices of what shows are available are removed from the hands of the networks and placed more with the consumer. And that is a Good Thing™ Requirements Analysis: Ratings, Advertisements, Pricing Structure and Essential Bulletins Ratings are dead. They''re largely pointless self-pats on the back and means of charging more for advertising. Advertising is now a flat-fee matter between the product manufacturer/advertising agency and the service provider, and since the exact number of views can be ascertained, more efficienct billing is possible for both parties. As to the question of advertisement broadcasts, I''d go for a 2- to 5-ad block between "show segments" (which may be an entire 30-minute show, or the quarters of a football or basketball game; the specifics are yet to be ironed out). Users get billed for the content they view (and since service providers need only pay for the content they transmit - using packet-based content delivery protocols - that''s very reasonable for both parties). The charges for shows viewed should be small enough that a single billing period''s total charge is significantly smaller than current cable charges, and the amounts should be added to the basic service fee right on the user invoice. This means that if I purchase the service and only watch a 2-hour news roundup each night and one 2-hour sporting event each weekend, my overall costs are appropriately lower than an individual who consumes music videos and soap operas all day, every day. Programming updates should be displayed like advertising, at segment breaks, while essential bulletins should be overlaid in a noticeable but non-interfering (and perhaps relocatable) portion of the screen. Being a networked system, it should be possible to then follow "hyperlinks" to review the bulletin or obtain more information. The Piracy Issue If users have on-demand, instant access to whatever media they desire (essentially this TVE - "E" for "Evolved" - paradigm becomes a content delivery channel) with inconsequential per-view charges, it is questionable whether piracy will be as attractive an option since this is largely the function that services like Morpheus and KaZaa provide, except at no monetary cost to the user (the cost is in acquiring, hosting and sharing the content). I would very much like to hear reactions on this issue. Comments, please.
Big B
Big B
Sounds ideal. Maybe then I could actually watch Futurama instead of it always being preempted.

Sadly this would require cable companies to change from the status quo, which if this is any indication, its not about to happen any time soon. Problem is that this scheme would shift control from them (content providers) to us (consumers). They don''t want that, as it would loosen their grip over us (and what a grip it is). They''d also have to make massive investments into infrastructure.

If something like this is going to happen, it will most likely be from satellite providers. Being the underdogs right now, they seem to be more willing to actually do something for their customers and to get new ones. OT, but does anyone else notice that the cable companies (maybe its just Rogers) are using a lot of FUD tactics against satellite companies?

But if you think whats on TV is bad, you should see some of the stuff that doesn''t make it. I recently had the chance to be a part of market research. It involved me and 174 other people gathering in a home like environment (they didn''t want to spring for a theatre, so they put us in a big room with crappy seats) and watching 2 pilots.

The first was a drama about soul mates and past lives and conspiracies and love at first sight. And god was it awful. In my comments I wrote that I had seen better B-grade erotic thrillers. If you see a show about a psychiatrist who sees her past life, just know that your pal Big B tried to shut that shit down.

The second show, a sitcom starring Valerie Harper that was about 10 years old, while better, was still not good. It was funny, but not something that would last any amount of time.

While I don''t think TV is any better, I know now that it could be a lot worse.



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Oluseyi
Oluseyi
quote:
Original post by Big B
Sounds ideal. Maybe then I could actually watch Futurama instead of it always being preempted.



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Sadly this would require cable companies to change from the status quo, which if this is any indication, its not about to happen any time soon. Problem is that this scheme would shift control from them (content providers) to us (consumers). They don''t want that, as it would loosen their grip over us (and what a grip it is). They''d also have to make massive investments into infrastructure.

Yeah, vested interests never push the envelope. I think wireless broadband could be the liberating development though, since the cable wiring monopoly is broken when a low-cost, widely available alternative is presented.

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But if you think whats on TV is bad, you should see some of the stuff that doesn''t make it.

True, but that may be a function of the imitation and clone-laden nature of the networks. "Let''s have a show just like X, but with Y being a gay male instead of a hyperactive female!" In a content-centric environment (eg the Internet), consumers assign merit based on quality (trashy sites are virtually unvisited; worthwhile joints struggle to handle their load).
Dean Harding
Dean Harding
The only problem I see is one of bandwidth. With HDTV becoming popular, bandwidth demands have increased dramatically. If every house had it''s own personal feed of high definition TV, then that''s a even bigger demand.

I agree that this is a great idea. I hate having to wait for my favorite movies to come on, but I think the requirements this would put on the network would be too great in short to medium term...

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Oluseyi
Oluseyi
quote:
Original post by Dean Harding
The only problem I see is one of bandwidth. With HDTV becoming popular, bandwidth demands have increased dramatically. If every house had it''s own personal feed of high definition TV, then that''s a even bigger demand.

Excellent point that I barely considered. Can anyone give good estimates of the kind of bandwidth we''re talking about here? How effective/useful would compression and data-reduction techniques be if a slightly less TV-ish display philosophy were adopted (and what specific technologies would you suggest)?

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I agree that this is a great idea. I hate having to wait for my favorite movies to come on...

Good. Unanimous so far!

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...but I think the requirements this would put on the network would be too great in short to medium term...

I have absolutely no information on the subject, but how good is the quality of DivX and similar technologies? Are any of them streamable? Would it conceivably be possible to use such a format for data encoding and transfer?
Dean Harding
Dean Harding
Uncompressed HDTV requires over 400MB/s of bandwidth. If you compress it using MPEG-2 (i.e. stick it on a DVD) it needs about 20MB/s of bandwidth. To compare, standard TV requires about 3.5MB/s (compressed).

A great article is [1], even though it mainly focuses on HD-DVDs and such.

[1] http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_9_1/feature-article-digital-home-video-2-2002.html

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beantas
beantas
It''s all relative and it''s all opinion.

I can ask a 13 year old girl and she''ll say "TV rocks! I mean look at all those great MTV shows!" I can ask a sports fan who likes commentary and he''ll say "ESPN rocks! PTI rules!"

If my favorite show goes to commercial, I can temporarily flip over to another channel which has another great show playing. If I really need to watch both shows, I''ll just get on the IRC and download the other.

Back at home, on one single day, I can watch three episodes of Simpsons and two episodes of Seinfeld. Here I can catch two episodes of Everybody Loves Raymond before bed.

I don''t watch the news to be informed. Why on earth would you watch the news for news? They give you tiny amounts of info at inconvenient times. If you want real news, use the net. I seriously watch TV news for entertainment. I can watch CNN Headline news for hours on end, even with repeats.

Personally, I''m fine with TV as it is.
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Mithrandir
Mithrandir
Actually, the current FCC allocations put around the same amount of bandwidth towards HDTV than it did to POTV (plain-old tv?).

The reason for this is that POTV, when it was first allocated, used crude transmitters, and a lot of leeway was required in order to prevent interference. Now, transmitting technology is vastly superior, so they can fit a full 19mbps stream in about the same space as a regular TV station.

Cool, huh?


As for video-on-demand, I think something like that is going to require a fibre-optic internet connection into every house. The only way it will work is with a packet-switching network like the internet, because there is simply no way to shape OTA (over-the-air), Sattellite, or standard cable broadcasts to individual users without a significant reworking of the system.
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Zul
Zul
TV blows. We don''t have cable in our house, or even a basic antenna. We only use it to watch movies, and quite frankly Army of Darkness and Tommy Boy are infinitely more informative than a half hour of that Bill O''Reilly dipshit on Fox (Seriously, what an ass). The only shows I ever watched were Simpsons and Seinfeld reruns anyway. That''s what I want on my tv, Simpsons, Seinfeld, and the occasional SNL rerun. All the time. Oh, and some South Park. That''s it.

I think people are getting more and more news from online sources as opposed to television, which is where alot of the sensationalism grows from. As you said, they''re all in it for the money (the networks) and I read a very interesting article on a similar subject that claimed that network news ratings have dropped something like 40% since the 80''s (the article was in this month''s PlayBoy, and to cap the irony, it was written by the sensational(ist) journalist Bill O''Reilly himself - the prick). People don''t want to watch Dan Rather any more, again as you said, attention spans are shorter. Which kind of sucks, because I always liked Dan. Such a friendly guy. Always wishing you goodnight after the news cast. Bill O''Reilly might wish you goodnight, but I bet he doesn''t mean it. Dan Rather means it damnit.

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Hyatus
Hyatus
I agree. TV these days is mostly crap.

Aside from The Sopranos(which I''ve decided to only watch on DVD
from now on(got the s3 set for $35(blockbuster rocks))), 24(also
only on DVD), Comedy Central(well, South Park, Daily Show,
Insomniac, the occassional SNL and that new Colin Quin show
which isn''t very funny but somehow entertaining), and the
rare movie or documentary, programming is lacking.

So, instead I watch an insane amount of digitally fansubbed
anime. The Japanese control my TV for now(and for the last 2
years...viva las anime!!!).

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Dreddnafious Maelstrom
Dreddnafious Maelstrom
Nothing great to add here, except that the only time i watch a commercial is if i have never seen it before. If it contains enough entertainment value to watch again, then maybe. Most of my friends freak out about it but to me it seems silly to watch a repetitive ad about a product i will never buy. Once you do it for a time you develop a sense for how long the various commercial breaks are, so you never miss out on the show you are watching.

I''m pretty sure i am not alone, so yes the current delivery method for sponsors is an utter failure regarding someone like me, the only ads that ever sneak in are the "in-show" ads done by an announcer or by PBS''s "sponsored by" segue as they fade back into the show.

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_Orion_
_Orion_
Even if we''re not yet to the stage were content is king (or queen), we should definately consider moving there. On the issue of bandwidth. There is considerable bandwidth being used to send out 500+ channels to everybody in your neighborhood. That means that the basic box that feeds each neighborhood is capable of sending 500 different signals. So bandwidth conceivably only becomes a problem after there are 500 simultaneously requested signals. Somehow I don''t think this will be an issue even in large appartment blocks.

Now I''m not an expert at much of anything, especially cable networks, but to me this seems to be a reasonable assesment of how it''s done. If this is the case than bandwidth is not the issue involved.

One thing that we, as consumers, may have to come to grips with is a movement towards micro-payment pay-per-view. To elaborate, people may in the future be expected to make very small payments for each resource they consume. For instance if I wanted to watch "Friends", I would just watch it, $0.50 would be deducted from my checking account, or I could get the whole season for $9.95. Of course it could be cheaper or more expensive. The net boon of course is that you could get the content ad-free.

They could always maintain the ad-based content for free, though that seems less feasable. Either way though, life on-demand is where I see everything going (at least I think it needs to go there).
Fuzztrek
Fuzztrek
Oh dear.. that is very pathetic: When I read "The Symptoms" I saw "The Simpsons"

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superpig
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quote:
Original post by msn12b
Get a tivo.


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Dean Harding
Dean Harding
quote:
Original post by _Orion_
So bandwidth conceivably only becomes a problem after there are 500 simultaneously requested signals. Somehow I don''t think this will be an issue even in large appartment blocks.



Don''t forget that''s 500 POTV signals, not 500 HDTV signals. Also, 500 simultaneous signals isn''t really that many - maybe a couple of street''s worth (depending on the number/size of apartment buildings, etc). That means that you''ll need something with higher bandwidth than a cable TV cable for every few streets - that''s a lot of infrastructure which just isn''t there yet.

Also remember that the cable TV cable is being used for internet access. As that gets more popular, you start to lose bandwidth which could be used for TV signals as well.

So, like I was saying, I don''t think it''s something we''ll be seeing in the short to medium term. Still, give it ten or fifteen years and it''ll be here, I''m sure.

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Big B
Big B
quote:
Original post by Dean Harding
Still, give it ten or fifteen years and it''ll be here, I''m sure.



Considering how long it took for HDTV to come around (they''ve been talking about it for what, 20 years?), better make it 20-30 years.



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Dean Harding
Dean Harding
quote:
Original post by Big B
Considering how long it took for HDTV to come around (they''ve been talking about it for what, 20 years?), better make it 20-30 years.



Heh, good point. HDTV was first demonstrated in the early eighties...

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Mithrandir
Mithrandir
Well, it''s official.

Out of the 33 new television shows on the 6 major networks this fall, only 3 are being renewed for the full season, and possibly next year.

Wow. I am so sick of this.
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Oluseyi
Oluseyi
quote:
Original post by beantas
It''s all relative and it''s all opinion.

I can ask a 13 year old girl and she''ll say "TV rocks! I mean look at all those great MTV shows!" I can ask a sports fan who likes commentary and he''ll say "ESPN rocks! PTI rules!"

Hmm. 13 year-old girls are suspect because they are very often conditioned to like what they''re told to like. Sports fans are a bit more objective; I doubt you''d find any sports fan who prefers "commentary" and "analysis" to actual footage. Then again, these are the same people who''ve been arguing over whether LeBron James is the best basketball player in America. Excuse me? In case no one else noticed, he''s in high school, which means his opponents are in high school, which means we really can''t assess his non-physical capabilities (*cough* Kwame Brown *cough*).

But I digress.

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Personally, I''m fine with TV as it is.

That''s quite okay. I''m not though, and I believe in dissatisfaction. Complacency is the first step towards demise (ask the Greeks and Romans; they''ll tell you). There''s always something better.

Nothing much else to add to the discussion. I''ve been travelling most of the last week, which is why I haven''t responded here. All the salient points have been addressed; now to give it time... or not.

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