mtv = negative influence

MTV = TEH SUCK!!11!

MTV wouldn''t be so bad if they actually followed their title of being music television, but in the last decade that has declined in favor of other shows and documentries. Many a bad bands were hyped by MTV.

I''d hardly say it''s that much of a negative influence. IMO the effect is quite harmless, if a little exploitative.

However I''d definately agree that MTV is a huge marketing influence on teenagers. I do feel they attempt to push disposable corporate music on the kids and attempt to make them feel somehow less cool if they don''t buy into it.

The music on MTV is guided by product lines, openings in the market, and demographics, rather than artistic expression.

I definately agree about the "teen rebellion - just another product", I do feel that nu-metal and pop punk bands for example are heavily marketed as packaged rebellion for kids. If you listen to Slipknot you''ll be an individual just like all your other little friends. That is one thing that really does get on my tits. I really like music, especially real underground music, and it rather annoys me to see the corporate marketing machine trying to pass itself off as underground/alternative.

It''s a shame, back in the day MTV used to have some excellent coverage of alternative music. Headbangers ball was a great show. Pity they cancelled it.

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Original post by Oxyacetylene
That is one thing that really does get on my tits.

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Damn, you brits sure do have weird expressions

btw, Nirvana is the finest example of MTV marketing. It''s cool to be a loser!

Hehehe very true.

Interesting documentary. The feedback loop comment is insightful. But it misses a couple things:

1) They don''t seriously acknowledge that the built-in "paradox of cool" works essentially as a safety lock: This "dangerous marketing of violence and sex" will inevitably become not-cool and the movement will go the other way. For example, remember Marilyn Manson, the "so-called anti-christ"? The one who was "poisoning our childrens'' minds"? Where is he now? Has his influence on the media degraded society into a mass of Satanic zombies practicing evil sorcery?

2) The underground subculture rebellions against mass media don''t always involve dangerous extremes like their Insane Clown Posse example. For example, there''s a whole subculture called "straight-edge", which involves similar extreme music but also involves completely abstaining from drugs, alcohol and violence. There''s the very obvious geek subculture. There''s the whole ska/30''s big band subculture. The documentary implies that people can only go to negative extremes to rebel against mass media, which just isn''t true.

If I''m not mistaken, this is another one of your efforts at preaching that society is crumbling due to mass media. But you and the documentary seem to be implying that things will only get worse. I don''t think that''s a safe assumption to make, especially for the reason I listed above.

Dead Kennedys - MTV Get off the Air. Great song. MTV sucks.

"And so it was our beloved corporate gods claimed they created rock videos; allowing it to sink as low in one year as commercial TV has in 25"

"''It''s wide open, anything can happen,'' they say. But you''ve got a lot of nerve to call yourself a pioneer when you''re too goddamn conservative to take any real chances."

I think people that watch MTV the majority of the time should have their head examined especially the ones that buy and support their junk.

Beantas it is a loop and people are kids are getting more extreme. And just because Manson didn’t influence everyone doesn’t mean he didn’t influence a few. Some are stronger and have different circumstances to why they follow. Yeah I know some followers and a few did get influenced and I think are a bit out their.

Things gets reformatted and changed to look different. It’s all marketing! Take for instance a clear example of station wagons how parents use to have it a lot and kids don’t since they want to do the opposite of parents car companies say which is mostly true, so they decided to make something that had attitude and is cool so they decided to make SUV’s and that is selling like hot cakes. The thing is that parents picked a more sensible care than the kids gas guzzling and less safe SUV.

Also some group would have made it on their own without MTV’s help, but I think they hindered more peoples minds and helped a few talented people and I don’t think that’s worth the price of messing others lives no matter what the rewards. Well the documentary explains it best and other experiments that are similar to this also show that what they do is for the money at the cost of messing people’s mentality.

I don’t envy or go gaga over MTV. MTV should not be looked up to. Funny how people look up to more bad influence than good. lol


[edited by - warsong on January 19, 2003 12:58:30 PM]

I''ve seen the PBS documentary, and totally and entirely agree with it. MTV is terrible. However, if people want to watch it, fine with me. I just wish they didn''t expect me to like it too.

I''ll just stick to Brave New Waves on the ol'' CBC radio, where they play real music.


-=skjin=-

This is an old post but I am talking again on it since MTV came out with a new movie and it is really pathetic and sad in what they r doing and its a shame that people would go see that crap.

Why can't I be on MTV? - Calibretto 13

Why can't I be on MTV?
Why can't I be on MTV?
Why can't I be on MTV?
Cos they just don't like me
Why can't I be on MTV?
Why can't I be on MTV?
Why can't I be on MTV?
Cos I'm trying to help you see

Coporate capitalistic pigs, all your ads are fake
Keep lying to the sheep out there
But I won't take the bait
Use Pepsi and Nike, oh, and Vh1
Calvin Klein, and Tommy Jeans make it look so fun
By using all of the popular bands
They're selling out for more money
When will all of this end?
Let's exploit sex some more through our videos...

Why can't I be on MTV?
Why can't I be on MTV?
Why can't I be on MTV?
Cos we won't lose integrity

What you like is popular cos you have all the dough
Turn the kids to zombies they don't care cos they don't know
Feed us lies and greed and garbage on the radio
There's better music out there but you don't want us to know
So advertise through mainstream movies
Show off your logo
Stick it to some dumb pop superstar that everybody knows
Totalitarian America that's just how it goes

Why can't we be a part of your game?
Why can't we have your fortune and fame?
Why can't we all just be the same?
Cos we're not clones, and we can think for ourselves!

Funny song
[edit: error in lyrics]

[edited by - boxdot3 on May 1, 2003 11:21:29 PM]

I want my MTV...
~Dire Straits

MTV is horrible, because they have fake looking people with their own fancy videos, not music; they have reality shows (Real World for example) that allow you to delve into lives you never even cared about in the first place; furthermore, I''ve seen TRL, and it proves how much they don''t care about music, they don''t even show all of the music video, they just want to get back to their "beloved" fans to play some darn game.

Really, I am not a music fan, and it shows because I never lived in the age where MTV = music.

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Original post by foofightr
btw, Nirvana is the finest example of MTV marketing. It''s cool to be a loser!

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I stopped listening to Nirvana back in ''96 or so. Not because I didn''t like them; I just got bored.


Last year, when they released that "unreleased song", I decided to listen to some of the old stuff for memory''s sake...


Good lord, it was practically unlistenable. How the hell did I ever like that crap?

Brave ol'' waves of the CBC radeio, eh devon? ROL!

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Is my cock big enough
Is my brain small enough
for you to make me a star.

Give me a toot and I''ll sell you my soul
Pull my strings and I''ll go far~

I think people shouldn''t buy things that MTV sells.

Hmm. Well, sometimes they play some nice things, such as Coldplay.

Victor.