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Started by Origin May 11, 2003 at 5:52 AM 16 replies 450+ views
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Origin
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Bill lifts ban on mini-nukes
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A Senate committee said Friday it had voted to lift a decade-old ban on research and development of low-yield nuclear weapons, overriding Democratic arguments that repeal would damage U.S. efforts to stop the spread of nuclear arms. "This is a major shift in American policy," said Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the panel''s top Democrat. "It just sort of makes a mockery of our argument around the world that other countries -- India, Pakistan -- should not test and North Korea and Iran should not obtain." But John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said, "Without committing to deployment, research on low-yield nuclear weapons is a prudent step to safeguard America from emerging threats and enemies."
Mini-nukes ticket to Armageddon
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US development of smaller, bunker-busting nuclear weapons is a step backwards and could lead to the end of the world, UN Under-Secretary General for Disarmament Jayantha Dhanapala said in an interview on Saturday. “This research is a step backwards because we are seeking to reduce the number of atomic weapons,” Sri Lankan Dhanapala said in an interview with German television station ARD’s website. —AFP
Bush Administration Keen on New Nuclear Weapons
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The proposal is one piece of the administration''s nuclear weapons policy that critics believe blurs the line between the use of nuclear and conventional weapons and threatens to undermine the international effort to contain the world''s development of nuclear weapons. "A nuclear weapon is not just another item in our arsenal, and it is wrong to treat it like it is," Senator Ted Kennedy said last week at a panel discussion held by the nonpartisan Arms Control Association (ACA). "We reap what we sow," said Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat and a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. "If we brandish our own nuclear weapons, we only encourage other nations to develop their own."
Bomb adviser warns against mini-nukes
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Dr. Sidney Drell, a theoretical physicist who once served as a consultant to Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and currently sits on the National Nuclear Security Administration advisory committee, called it unlikely that so-called nuclear "bunker busters" will ever penetrate far enough into the earth to prevent massive radioactive fallout. And, he said, in order to destroy the most worrisome underground targets, which are believed to be at depths of about 1,000 feet and reinforced to withstand awesome atmospheric pressure, the U.S. would need a bomb 10 times the strength of the one that was dropped on Hiroshima. "We''re not talking about low collateral damage, low-yield weapons. That''s a physical myth," Drell said.
What do you think? Is the new nuclear strategy of the Bush administration necessary and instrumental in securing the USA or is it a terrible step backwards to a worldwide nuclear horror?
Hitchhiker90
Hitchhiker90
Just one teeny tiny question. Are "dirty bombs" considered mini-nukes? And if so will they be lifted under this bill?

To answer your question... how about a lil bit of both? It will be slightly more secure USA until someone decides to launch the first one. Kind of like the Cold War all over again but on a smaller scale, see who launches first.
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samosa
samosa
I guess since the USA is going to have mini-nukes they have solved the problem that the blast radius is larger than the range. But then again its something that Bush would probably overlook.

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TSwitch
TSwitch
Dirty bombs are conventional bombs covered with highly radioactive garbage - xray crap, radiation therapy leftovers, smoke detectors - and spread that deadly crap around. No fission.
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MindWipe
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nuke bluke

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Mithrandir
Mithrandir
Mini-nukes are all bombs which achieve a chain-reaction uncontrolled nuclear fission resulting in a blast of up to 5 kilotons.

For reference, Hiroshima was 15 kilotons.




Unbanning this will break the same anti-nuclear proliferation treaty that we claimed Iraq, Iran, and North Korea broke.
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cowsarenotevil
cowsarenotevil
Oh good! Now all they have to do is drop a few of them and it''l be like any other bomb.

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Mithrandir
Mithrandir
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Original post by cowsarenotevil
Oh good! Now all they have to do is drop a few of them and it''l be like any other bomb.



Not quite; all nuclear fission bombs spew lots of radioactivity throughout an area much larger than the blast radius, and always cause the majority of the deaths, as well as making the area uninhabitable for 5-10 years.

It is mainly for this reason that these devices are banned, and it boggles my mind that anyone in this country could possibly desire to have these unbanned, and at the same time call other countries "evil" for obtaining these SAME WEAPONS.

(For reference, it is being estimated that North Korea''s nukes are at 6-9 kilotons, only "slightly" larger than mininukes)
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Eelco
Eelco
i think bush is going to be shot one day before the end of his period.
cowsarenotevil
cowsarenotevil
quote:
Original post by Mithrandir

Not quite; all nuclear fission bombs spew lots of radioactivity throughout an area much larger than the blast radius, and always cause the majority of the deaths, as well as making the area uninhabitable for 5-10 years.

It is mainly for this reason that these devices are banned, and it boggles my mind that anyone in this country could possibly desire to have these unbanned, and at the same time call other countries "evil" for obtaining these SAME WEAPONS.

(For reference, it is being estimated that North Korea''s nukes are at 6-9 kilotons, only "slightly" larger than mininukes)


I meant any other nuclear bomb. Sorry

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billybob
billybob
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Original post by Eelco
i think bush is going to be shot one day before the end of his period.

so cheney can take over. wonderful.
LessBread
LessBread
I don''t think the issue is the bombs themselves per se but rather the knowledge of how to make them. Consider, it''s the knowledge of how to make a 1940''s style bomb that has the world''s knickers in knots. The research that the US pays for today has a good chance of creating big headaches for the US decades from now. So the question is, does the US really need these new toys? Obviously, they weren''t needed to take down Hussein - "biggest threat to peace since Hitler" - so where''s the need for them? Or is the point of these weapons to use them to threaten Russia and China? If so, even a cursory reading of the history of the last 50 years shows that threatening other nations with nukes makes a poor strategy. Look at how foolish it''s made North Korea look!

In the end, I think it boils down to the fact that the domestic agenda of the Bush administration - and the rhetoric that accompanies it - only provides one arena in which the US govt can pump money into the economy and that is through military spending. That Bush happens to be friends with many of the top dogs in the "defense" industry is also convenient for him.

It''s easy to see that today''s GOP ain''t your father''s GOP, considering these admonitions from Eisenhower:

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This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
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Eisenhower''s 1961 Farewell Address



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Tron3k
Tron3k
Damn it.

You Americans have got to do something ... take these guys out of power.

This is starting to get out of control.
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kdogg
kdogg
I dont'' understand why the US would want nuclear weapons. We have the largest conventional army in the world. The only was for us to be defeated is through the use of WMD by the other side. If you get in a fight with an 8th grader, you want to keep it at just fists. You''ll never lose mano-a-mano. If you both have guns, on the other hand, the match is a lot more even.
Anon Mike
Anon Mike
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You Americans have got to do something ... take these guys out of power.



The election is in about 18 months. Unfortunately I don''t have a lot of hope. Bush plays the "If you''re against me then you''re against our troops" angle over and over and to many people buy it. The election will probably be extremely polarized, but the Bush haters seem to be the minority at the moment. Plus every time there''s a terrorist attack (like this morning in Saudi Arabia for instance), it just plays into his hand some more.
-Mike
Cestps
Cestps
Are neutron bombs considered nukes?
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granat
granat
quote:
Original post by Mithrandir
It is mainly for this reason that these devices are banned, and it boggles my mind that anyone in this country could possibly desire to have these unbanned, and at the same time call other countries "evil" for obtaining these SAME WEAPONS.


The problem is not that they have these weapons but that we don''t trust them with these weapons. If they were less fucked up they could be allowed to have them.
I don''t think that USA would invade Denmark if we decided to get some.




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