Stealing The Internet

shit dude.... I Don''t want to pay for my bandwidth.... that would fucking SUCK

It''s not even going to be funny

I read that about an hour ago along with.

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Its all part of a frightning movement to give god like power to buisnesses over us the consumer. To control us as they see fit and to even ruin lives in the name profit.


Edit Oops. Lets fix link.

[edited by - Goober King on August 6, 2003 5:09:59 AM]

Dear God, please bring terrible violence down upon those who wish to privatize the intarweb.

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It''s all extremely disturbing.

I''m already "paying for bandwidth". I pay a fixed amount of cash for a fixed amount of bandwidth per month and get fined heavily for going over the limit (almost got charged $400+ in under 10 days when I didn''t realize the limits were in place). Although in a very shocking move my limits were doubled a couple months back (with no mention to me or anyone of course, wouldn''t want me finding out and actually using what I payed for, would they?).
However as bad as I find it to be now, what these articles go on about are so much worse in every possible way and more that I''m quite literally scared. Really, really scared.

Makes me think about a career change...

i dont understand. privatize what? you can already put up private webservers and you can create private isps so whats the difference from now? i think that article is pure bullshit and has no real point

WTF? Well at least the list of companys isn't that big. MSN prob the biggest. I'm sure that everybody won't have metered bandwidth. This is ugly though, only servers should have to pay for bandwidth, not everybody else. I think we just went into a new millenium, 1000 to 2$$$.

I read those links goober. Wouldn't TCPA force most people to use Linux. I wouldn't be suprised if business's are forced to use TCPA or this metered bandwidth, but not joe schmo. It's like, we need a consitution for the internet to protect our rights.

[edited by - synder on August 6, 2003 8:47:49 AM]

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Original post by En Dum En
i dont understand. privatize what? you can already put up private webservers and you can create private isps so whats the difference from now? i think that article is pure bullshit and has no real point

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I think some of it might be concerning DNS servers, perhaps - you can only access certain servers if you''ve paid for them? Joe Average isn''t going to like using IP addresses for everything...

Besides, I''m really not sure how this can work outside of the US. The cable providers in the UK are not the same companies, and from what I could tell it looked like they were planning on having people pay through their telecom providers. So there''s not much to stop US users picking up content through a non-US proxy.

And if they intend to simply stop serving non-paying (and therefore non-US) customers? Good riddance. Maybe then they''ll see just how insignificant they are in the global anarchy that is the internet.

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Idiots these days... If I had to pay for my own bandwidth, I would do something to my modem. And I would join and underground group to try and get bandwidth free again.

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Just a reminder, you ARE paying for your bandwidth already. How many people here are accessing the net through a government ISP? How many of you use a "public" (free) DNS? The money that you''re paying for your connection right now is for your ISP (a PRIVATE company) to cover your bandwidth expenses, provide you with a DNS, mail, news, ... servers, and provide technical support through phone. Internet is already as privatized as it could be.

Anybody interested in other "non-mainstream" news, software or higher-volume usage, could pay for the privilege.

GAH!!

Hey were the developers, the programmers. It''s people like us who created the internet. It''s our internet. We don''t tell these stupid business men how to run their companies so I say we don''t let them tell us how to run our internet. If they don''t like it then we will just have to turn the internet off and no one will get any internet at all.

We can all pool our money together and build our own infrastructure! l33tonline.

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Hey were the developers, the programmers. It''s people like us who created the internet. It''s our internet. We don''t tell these stupid business men how to run their companies so I say we don''t let them tell us how to run our internet. If they don''t like it then we will just have to turn the internet off and no one will get any internet at all.

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Were programmers, not international terrorists. It''s people like us who made the internet: true. It''s also people like us who work for those companies.

Privatizing the internet is just a big fucking money-scheme. I support SBC, since they counter-sued the RIAA for attempting to steal their client''s privacy, but lets face it... Almost everyone in America uses Amazon.com, and a large majority use Yahoo!. AMAZON DOT COM HAS MY FUCKING CREDIT CARD NUMBER!

Thankfully, this right now might pertain to America, but Great Britain will likely copy anything that America does to invade privacy, destroy homes, bankrupt those that don''t work for major corporations, and brainwash our children with that liberalist shit.

If this comes to pass, then there will be bullshit laws like:

Illegal to own a server without a license.
Illegal to own unsigned software.
Illegal to use unauthorized email.
Illegal to surf pornography without a license.
All terms used in Search Engines must be scanned before the search engine can begin searching.
ETC. ETC. ETC.

Hopefully the UK will never pass a fascist law like the DMCA. There certainly couldn''t be any law that allows an organisation to get a search warrant by just filling out a form, I don''t think.

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Thankfully, this right now might pertain to America, but Great Britain will likely copy anything that America does to invade privacy, destroy homes, bankrupt those that don''t work for major corporations, and brainwash our children with that liberalist shit.

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Are you kidding me? Blair is jacking off to a huge American flag, he''d do anything if he thought it would bring him closer to the US. Don''t know about other British politicians, though.

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someone has more sources to this.

Anyway these companies/people who come up with that SH#T SHOULD BURN

Well of course the industries want the internet. The internet is a threat to their business model; imagine people being able to publish books, music, and movies without going through the established cartels.

The record labels have been hanging on to an outdated business model for years now, and they are kicking and screaming to their death. Their worst nightmare is that people will be able to make good music again, instead of the cookie-cutter crap that they market so well; and the labels will never make a cent off of them.

Good riddance.


Anyway; the distribution cartels would absolutely love the entire internet to be $/per-byte; they know that there is no "economy of scale" on the internet; the cost to mass-distribute something has a fixed scale based on the number of units provided; as opposed to their vertical monopolies which allow them to get the average price of a CD down to less than $1 in manufacturing costs so that they make the other $9 in almost complete profit.


the lack of economy-of-scale on the internet will kill it unless something is done; I''ve been toying with the idea of a large multi-casting distribution system, however. If the technology behind multi-casting were to be enhanced just a little bit, the amount of bandwidth used over the internet could be reduced by a factor of 10, at least.


And if someday the corporations end up taking over every nuance of the internet (watch out for prohibitive web-server EULA''s which make them own all of your IP), we can tell them to sod off, and build our own. With the advent of wireless technology, there''s not much they can do to prevent us from creating our own networks.