HTML help

The widths in the columns are relative to the table, not the page. If you want the table to fill the page, you need to add width=100% to the table tag. Might want to include a closing tag for your table while you''re at it.

GAH! Why does everybody use the <table> tag like the <layout>. The Table tag is for posting tabular data. Using it for a layout is like making a poster to a school dance in a Microsoft Access report.

It appears you have some knowledge of CSS, so making a Div/CSS based layout is not too much for you to do.

DakeDesu:

CSS is fine and dandy, frankly, I love it

Tables are just easier for simple layout stuff. Give the n00bs a break and just tell them "You can do that with CSS" when they ask a question.

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Original post by ChaoticCanuck
Tables are just easier for simple layout stuff.

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They break many screen readers too.

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Original post by ChaoticCanuck
DakeDesu:
Tables are just easier for simple layout stuff. Give the n00bs a break and just tell them "You can do that with CSS" when they ask a question.

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Explain to me the portions of the OP''s site that could not be done with div nostyle="float:left."

Not only does Div/CSS make a site more standard, it also makes the code a lot cleaner and easy to read. About the only thing one needs to worry about are the version 4 browsers, and if anybody is still using a version 4 browser, they need to be smucked upside the head.

*shrugs*
When I was learning HTML and a little bit of CSS I never heard of "div" once. I still no nothing about it, I''ve only heard of it by reading through source code. Then again, I don''t have any problems using tables.

Errr, and my point, yeah I had a point somewhere... hmmm... oh yes! Perhaps he doesn''t know what a "div" is?

Simple answer: Div is a division of the page.

Complex answer: Div is a block level division of information in a page, in a logical set.

gamechampionx: don''t let DakeDesu discourage you from using Tables, using them is perfectly fine for layout.

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Original post by Dustino
gamechampionx: don''t let DakeDesu discourage you from using Tables, using them is perfectly fine for layout.

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Other than that it produces extremely messy code, and is an unstandard use of tables.

Using tables for layout is perfectly fine in a manner, that bogo search is a perfectly fine sorting algorythem.

While tables were never designed for layout, they have proven themselves useful. Tables only become stringy and messy when the programmer does not know how to use them properly. The annoying thing about CSS, is that every browser will things differently, without care in creating the sheet. While this is also true for tables, it is easier to get a table to look correct on all browsers than a sheet is (or at least I find.) However, whatever you use, make it liquid! Liquidness should be the real point of any layout.

    ___       ___       ___       ___       ___       ___       ___       ___   
   /\  \     /\__\     /\  \     /\  \     /\  \     /\  \     /\  \     /\__\  
  /::\  \   /:/ _/_   _\:\  \   _\:\  \    \:\  \   /::\  \   /::\  \   /:/ _/_ 
 /::\:\__\ /:/_/\__\ /::::\__\ /::::\__\   /::\__\ /::\:\__\ /::\:\__\ /::-"\__\
 \/\:\/__/ \:\/:/  / \::;;/__/ \::;;/__/  /:/\/__/ \;:::/  / \:\:\/  / \;:;-",-"
    \/__/   \::/  /   \:\__\    \:\__\    \/__/     |:\/__/   \:\/  /   |:|  |  
             \/__/     \/__/     \/__/               \|__|     \/__/     \|__|  

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Original post by Fuzztrek
While tables were never designed for layout, they have proven themselves useful. Tables only become stringy and messy when the programmer does not know how to use them properly.

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1) Look at the OP.
2) using them as layout is not a propper use of them.

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The annoying thing about CSS, is that every browser will things differently, without care in creating the sheet.

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I do not know why people keep saying this. I just make a CSS stylesheet, and run it through W3C''s validator, and a good portion of the time, they will not look that horribly that different in different browsers. Take my website for example (dakedesu.gamedeveloper,net) It uses the exact same stylesheet no matter what browser views it. And it looks pretty much the same in all browsers (tested with Mozilla-firebird, Mozilla, IE, and Opera).

I have never had a problem displaying correctly done CSS in any browser, other than the 4.x browsers.

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However, whatever you use, make it liquid! Liquidness should be the real point of any layout.

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Here, I agree.

erm.. yes. simple, basic, plain, (quite frankly) ugly layouts are fairly easy to implement in css. But, if you *need* pixel perfect sections of your layout, you''re in for a rougher time.

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But, if you *need* pixel perfect sections of your layout, you''re in for a rougher time.

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But like you said--make it a liquid layout, and you won''t have that problem.

This should really be in general programming.

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But, if you *need* pixel perfect sections of your layout, you''re in for a rougher time.

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But like you said--make it a liquid layout, and you won''t have that problem.

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Liquid layouts can still have pixel perfect portions.

If you want a pixel perfect layout, use Postscript--html is not equipped (well enough) to deal with it. However, Postscript was designed with the pixel perfect idea in mind.

I have never understood why somebody would want a pixel perfect layout, but then I am not exactly Van Gogh with HTML/CSS.

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This should really be in general programming.

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Unless ECMAscript, ActiveX, SSI, or any serverside shows up... no.

Thanks for the help guys. I was able to make the table fill the whole screen, so that problem is solved.

However, in making the border on both sides of the page, I'm still having trouble. I tried using

<img src=... width=100%>

to make it fill the column horizontally, but the image just doesn't show up, as seen in the left column. Also, when adjusting width, what is the percentage of? Is it the screen or the table?

Thanks again. Btw, neone here play Diablo?

[edited by - gamechampionx on August 7, 2003 9:07:40 PM]

The percentage of the table...I think. I never really thought about it.
Make sure that the image title is correct - even in caps.
Image.jpg is different from image.JPG. I suggest making all file names lowercase.

You may want to add a height attribute to the image tag as well, or at least try adding it to help locate the problem.

Dake:

If you ever work at a web design company, or learn about design more, you'll understand what I'm talking about. I hardly think that postscript is a suitable alternative to HTML.

[edited by - Fuzztrek on August 7, 2003 9:44:34 PM]