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Mithrandir
Mithrandir
US soldiers driving bulldozers, with jazz blaring from loudspeakers, have uprooted ancient groves of date palms as well as orange and lemon trees in central Iraq as part of a new policy of collective punishment of farmers who do not give information about guerrillas attacking US troops. Jesus christ, are we TRYING to turn everyone in that country into a terrorist?
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Nusayef Jassim, one of 32 farmers who saw their fruit trees destroyed, said: "They told us that the resistance fighters hide in our farms, but this is not true. They didn''t capture anything. They didn''t find any weapons." Other farmers said that US troops had told them, over a loudspeaker in Arabic, that the fruit groves were being bulldozed to punish the farmers for not informing on the resistance which is very active in this Sunni Muslim district. "They made a sort of joke against us by playing jazz music while they were cutting down the trees," said one man. Ambushes of US troops have taken place around Dhuluaya. But Sheikh Hussein Ali Saleh al-Jabouri, a member of a delegation that went to the nearby US base to ask for compensation for the loss of the fruit trees, said American officers described what had happened as "a punishment of local people because ''you know who is in the resistance and do not tell us''." What the Israelis had done by way of collective punishment of Palestinians was now happening in Iraq, Sheikh Hussein added.
Can''t this country exist for one day without making me ashamed anymore?
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Mithrandir
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The children of one woman who owned some fruit trees lay down in front of a bulldozer but were dragged away, according to eyewitnesses who did not want to give their names. They said that one American soldier broke down and cried during the operation. When a reporter from the newspaper Iraq Today attempted to take a photograph of the bulldozers at work a soldier grabbed his camera and tried to smash it. The same paper quotes Lt Col Springman, a US commander in the region, as saying: "We asked the farmers several times to stop the attacks, or to tell us who was responsible, but the farmers didn''t tell us."

Informing US troops about the identity of their attackers would be extremely dangerous in Iraqi villages, where most people are related and everyone knows each other. The farmers who lost their fruit trees all belong to the Khazraji tribe and are unlikely to give information about fellow tribesmen if they are, in fact, attacking US troops.

Asked how much his lost orchard was worth, Nusayef Jassim said in a distraught voice: "It is as if someone cut off my hands and you asked me how much my hands were worth."



There is no doubt in my mind now that anyone who supported this travesty of a war is going straight to hell.
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Senses777
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That is sickening indeed. No argument here, Mith.
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Uthman
Uthman
fucking sick

totally disgusted at u.s. war policy. totally disgusted. why dont the fucking troops just start shooting civilians until they get all the geurrillas? thats basically what they are doing with shit like this. and of course, this wont be on american news, and if it is, in highly censored form. not only are we *turning* everyone in the country into terrorists, but whoever the hell put this new ''policy'' into action seriously needs to get shot >:
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Ilici
Ilici
Something like that happened in the early comunist years - when the private property was transfered to the state - if you did''t want to sign to give your land to the state they''d kill your animals and burn your crops. God dammit that''s so fucked up.



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klems
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I am a little confused about the american way of liberating people...
Drewish
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Holy shit, I usually support the US in arguments but that is over the line.

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firahs
firahs
Wow, it looks like they''ve taken a page from the Israeli book. Bulldozing fruit orchards is detestable, for a lot of areas, its the only source of lively hood..and it takes decades to yield a mature date tree.
firahs
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I wonder how long it will be until they start to bulldoze people, ala IDF.
Mscgamer
Mscgamer
Yeah, that's pretty shitty but I'm not surprised.

[edited by - Mscgamer on October 12, 2003 11:09:37 AM]
Pouya
Pouya
Well, they''ll just end up asking for more "humanitarian" help to feed the people now.

And a date palm takes about 30 years to mature.
firahs
firahs
retaliation? I dont think that the USA will ever really resolve what they''re doing in Iraq.
Mscgamer
Mscgamer
Oh yeah, by the way, those U.S. troops are committing a war crime (collective punishment).

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From the Fourth Geneva Convention
"No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed," and "collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited."

Drevay
Drevay
This is fucking retarded.

Canada > USA

This statement is now true.

I mean, sure we''re not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than the people that run YOUR country.

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klems
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quote:
Original post by Mscgamer
Oh yeah, by the way, those U.S. troops are committing a war crime (collective punishment).

quote:

From the Fourth Geneva Convention
"No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed," and "collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited."


LIES!! US troops are above war crimes and justice - the US constitution says so (according to certain people on GDNet, at least)!


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Drewish
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quote:
Original post by Drevay
This is fucking retarded.

Canada > USA

This statement is now true.

I mean, sure we''re not perfect, but a hell of a lot better than the people that run YOUR country.

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I can see where your rage is coming from, but it really is not necessary. I could get into a big argument about Canada < USA, but I won''t.

BTW, what context are you putting that statment in, because in some areas Canada is definetly < the the US.



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Mscgamer
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I believe that Drevay is saying that politically Canada is far better off than the US.

I think it would be better if we avoided this discussion (which has been argued over about 1,000,000 times now) and get back on topic.

klems
klems
If I weren''t such a sensible person I''d come up with a joke about Canadian::operator>(American &) and body fat...


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