quote: Original post by Extrarius
I would disagree entirely. Diablo 2 is nothing but a click-fest. All you do is point and click and use a potion every once in a while. Its like an FPS, except that instead of other players, you get to play against bots that just walk around real slow while trying to always stay visible and have a reaction time of something like a minute.

How much have you played it? One hour, using the barbarian or what? You can of course have your own opinion, but don''t say things that ain''t true. One minute my a**. And the term PvP are not familiar to you?

I was just talking to my friend about this kind of subject last week about Tony Hawk. We were talking about skateboard game reality, and I was like, 'They should program the controller buttons to the feet, legs, torso, arms, etc. so that it's more like learning to skate for real' ... kinda. If you wanted to kickflip, you'd crouch, snap your back leg while lifting your front leg, then crouch again in midair, orient your legs so the board is horizontal then land. In this way, only the people who enjoy the game enough to go through weeks and months of playing the game will be able to do more impressive moves for example, just like in real life.

While this is analogous to any game, it would probably be really difficult to program correctly, and, be less efficient and practical than something like a VR board or VR sword accessory.

Edit: scratch the VR board - that would not be at all practical. But the sword would.

[edited by - mdleadg on November 29, 2003 2:03:20 PM]

There''s a game out there for the PS2 called "Kengo" or "Kengo II" or something, and it''s basically a role-playing tournament fighter. Your guy fights one-on-one against other guys (It''s Japanese swordfighting) using a variety of moves and combos. Standard stuff.

The difference is the role-playing elements, and how they''re implemented. You gradually increase your strength, speed, stamina, dexterity, etc. through a regimen of training, which consists mostly of "mini-games" like extinguishing candles with your sword or standing under a waterfall and maintaining your balance.

Each of these exercises will increase the maximum limit of a combat trait, but you won''t actually gain speed or strength in battle until you bring these skills to bear against an opponent. So a combination of rudimentary practice and real (sort of real, they use wooden swords for practice bouts) combat is needed to train effectively. Also, you learn new moves as you fight opponents with different styles.

What''s so great about this system is that the things you do the most are improved more, and your character gains skill as you do. If you tend to run around a lot and vary distance, your speed and agility will increase. If you do a lot of blocking and parrying, your strength and dexterity will increase. If you get whacked a lot, your defense will increase. But if you don''t go out and train between bouts, you''ll hit a "ceiling", and won''t be able to get better.

So even a really skilled player will be limited by the speed and skill of his character. I remember the second time I rented it, I didn''t have my guy saved any more, and was frustrated by the new character''s weakness. The character grows into the player''s style, and there''s a really pleasing symbiosis there. That''s what I think a good RPG should be.

If that idea was expanded into a larger world and a greater variety of skillsets, I think that a really good game could be had. Practicing a skill is a much more satisfactory way to improve than just levelling. How is it that killing a ton of Deathclaws helps me pick locks more effectively?

So a good real-time action-style combat engine bound by the attributes of the character and the actual experiences that character has had would eliminate the boring turn-based nonsense while maintaining the roleplaying elements. But if you''re going to allow twitch gameplay, it had better be regulated by some roleplaying element.

a game that I quite enjoyed was "Silver" it did requre you to use your mouse + diffrent key combos.