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Started by Raloth Jan 26, 2004 at 10:51 AM 22 replies 800+ views

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Jan 26, 2004 at 10:51 AM

Dev-C++/MinGW has finally annoyed me too much to touch it, so I''m looking at Visual C++. Mostly I want it so I can actually use the retail libraries for DirectX, but not crashing 4 times a day and having a functional variable watcher would be helpful too. Which version should I get? 6, 7, or .NET? Does the .NET version allow you to compile code that doesn''t need the .NET runtime installed?

vNistelrooy

Jan 26, 2004 at 10:56 AM

7 and .NET is the same thing, but you have .NET 2002 and 2003 (little difference).

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Promit

Jan 26, 2004 at 10:57 AM

If you''re not particularly interested in the NET languages, go with 6, if only for the cheaperness of it.

If however, you love the NET thing (which IMO is beautiful and awesome) go with .NET 2003.

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Raloth

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:00 AM

But still... Will compiling with that require the .NET libraries installed on everyone''s computer who runs it?

And... Does 6 support code folding? Where I can minimize functions so I only see their name and a plus sign to the left to maximize them.

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klems

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:06 AM

Yes, you can compile to "normal" Windows binaries with VS .NET. Have no idea about the code folding. I haven''t seen the feature in VS6, but I haven''t seen it in VS .NET either.

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Drevay

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:10 AM

Whomever recommends 6 should be shot. You WILL go insane while working with 6. It doesn''t work with templates correctly, it doesn''t work with anything correctly for that matter (well, most things). Visual C++ .Net or Visual C++ .Net 2k3 have much better compilers (2k3 being more standards compliant).

Spend some extra money and get Visual C++ .Net 2k3, you won''t regret it.

Rick Scott

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:10 AM

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Original post by Raloth
But still... Will compiling with that require the .NET libraries installed on everyone''s computer who runs it?

And... Does 6 support code folding? Where I can minimize functions so I only see their name and a plus sign to the left to maximize them.

You can compile C++ programs that don''t even THINK about .NET, just like with VC6, except better

No, VC6 doesn''t support code folding, but VisualStudio.NET (that is the IDE for VC 7.0 and 7.1) does. Handy thing, at that.

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aidan_walsh

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:15 AM

.NET 2002 is v7, so is .NET 2003 v8 or v7.1?

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Jan 26, 2004 at 11:23 AM

Thanks everyone... I''m going to need to upgrade to Windows XP to use it though

. Is there any place I can get a student discount on Windows XP and Visual C++?

_DarkWIng_

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:31 AM

If you''re a student you might try to get academic verison trough MSDNAA.

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Rick Scott

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:33 AM

I use VS.NET Professional on windows 2000 with no problems. I don''t know if its any cheaper then WinXP pro, though. If it is, just upgrade to W2k =D

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capn_midnight

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:41 AM

there is a website that sells software sans manuals and packaging, with like a 90% savings. But I can''t seem to find the damn link...

Ah, here it is, OEM Expert.

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Raloth

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:42 AM

Something about me doesn''t like the idea of an "academic" version. I''m fine with paying the full $100 for VC++ (since programming is about all I do) but it''s the $200+ for the operating system that I feel ripped off about. Are there discounts available for XP? If I''m going to upgrade I''d rather just jump ahead to the top.

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Drevay

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:53 AM

You could get an OEM version...

Or "borrow" a copy from a friend...

I mean, BUY IT OF COURSE.

PIRATE.

vNistelrooy

Jan 26, 2004 at 11:55 AM

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Original post by doodle_sketch
.NET 2002 is v7, so is .NET 2003 v8 or v7.1?

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circlesoft

Jan 26, 2004 at 12:50 PM

quote:
Original post by Drevay
Whomever recommends 6 should be shot. You WILL go insane while working with 6. It doesn''t work with templates correctly, it doesn''t work with anything correctly for that matter (well, most things).

I have worked with VS6 for years, and I have not found any of these problems that you are talking about, nor have I gone insane. True, if I were to buy an IDE today, I would buy ver. 7, but 6 works fine for me.

Also, with the new VS, wasn''t there something weird with the optimizations? Like only the professional and enterprise versions came with it or something

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capn_midnight

Jan 26, 2004 at 12:54 PM

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Original post by circlesoft
quote:
Original post by Drevay
Whomever recommends 6 should be shot. You WILL go insane while working with 6. It doesn''t work with templates correctly, it doesn''t work with anything correctly for that matter (well, most things).
I have worked with VS6 for years, and I have not found any of these problems that you are talking about, nor have I gone insane. True, if I were to buy an IDE today, I would buy ver. 7, but 6 works fine for me.

Also, with the new VS, wasn''t there something weird with the optimizations? Like only the professional and enterprise versions came with it or something

these people that complain are just elitists that HEARD somewhere there were "MAJOR PROLBESM OH TEH NOS!!!!1!" with VS6, and so now they just repeat them over and over.

I''ve done template classes in VS6 out of a book written for g++ and have had no problems.

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Rixter

Jan 26, 2004 at 1:10 PM

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Original post by capn_midnight
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Original post by circlesoft
quote:
Original post by Drevay
Whomever recommends 6 should be shot. You WILL go insane while working with 6. It doesn''t work with templates correctly, it doesn''t work with anything correctly for that matter (well, most things).
I have worked with VS6 for years, and I have not found any of these problems that you are talking about, nor have I gone insane. True, if I were to buy an IDE today, I would buy ver. 7, but 6 works fine for me.

Also, with the new VS, wasn''t there something weird with the optimizations? Like only the professional and enterprise versions came with it or something

these people that complain are just elitists that HEARD somewhere there were "MAJOR PROLBESM OH TEH NOS!!!!1!" with VS6, and so now they just repeat them over and over.

I''ve done template classes in VS6 out of a book written for g++ and have had no problems.

I don''t think it''s templates that vc6 has a problem with, but the STL. If I remember correctly, I couldn''t even cin >> string. And a friend of mine using a vector would randomly get garbage added to the begining of it when using push_back(), but it compiled and ran fine with g++. But for the most part you won''t have any problems.

Oh, and it also doesn''t enforce the ''using'' thing, you never have to do it but in g++ and .NET you do.

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capn_midnight

Jan 26, 2004 at 1:13 PM

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Original post by Rixter
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Original post by capn_midnight
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Original post by circlesoft
quote:
Original post by Drevay
Whomever recommends 6 should be shot. You WILL go insane while working with 6. It doesn''t work with templates correctly, it doesn''t work with anything correctly for that matter (well, most things).
I have worked with VS6 for years, and I have not found any of these problems that you are talking about, nor have I gone insane. True, if I were to buy an IDE today, I would buy ver. 7, but 6 works fine for me.

Also, with the new VS, wasn''t there something weird with the optimizations? Like only the professional and enterprise versions came with it or something

these people that complain are just elitists that HEARD somewhere there were "MAJOR PROLBESM OH TEH NOS!!!!1!" with VS6, and so now they just repeat them over and over.

I''ve done template classes in VS6 out of a book written for g++ and have had no problems.

I don''t think it''s templates that vc6 has a problem with, but the STL. If I remember correctly, I couldn''t even cin >> string. And a friend of mine using a vector would randomly get garbage added to the begining of it when using push_back(), but it compiled and ran fine with g++. But for the most part you won''t have any problems.

Oh, and it also doesn''t enforce the ''using'' thing, you never have to do it but in g++ and .NET you do.

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I don''t know what you are talking about. I have to use "using" anytime I use <iostream> or <string> or whatever. It''s when you use <iostream.h> that you have problems. I''ve never had your problem with vector and cin>>string always works for me. Seriously, I have done EVERYTHING that has been mentioned so far, and I haven''t had any problems.

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Rixter

Jan 26, 2004 at 1:24 PM

quote:
Original post by capn_midnight

I don''t know what you are talking about. I have to use "using" anytime I use <iostream> or <string> or whatever. It''s when you use <iostream.h> that you have problems.

OK, yeah, I forgot about that

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I''ve never had your problem with vector and cin>>string always works for me. Seriously, I have done EVERYTHING that has been mentioned so far, and I haven''t had any problems.

For some reason it didn''t like the string thing on mine, and the vector thing I didn''t try first hand, but I know he stopped having problems without changing any code, just using a different compiler. Maybe you have a patched version of 6?

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