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Started by Subconscious Apr 22, 2004 at 8:10 PM 5 replies 350+ views
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Subconscious
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Piracy is on the rise and companies are trying to crack down on it as much as possible. But rather than waging a "war" on these pirates, can''t a peaceful, mutually beneficial solution be reached? Both sides have legitimate grievances, so I think a compromise is in order. Copyright holders: We''re losing more and more money to these evil pirates, they must be stopped at all cost! My response: Yes, you are losing money, but cracking down even harder on piracy is just shooting yourself in the foot. Many people don''t even believe that piracy is wrong (I''m not commenting on whether it IS right or wrong, just stating the general sentiment), cracking down harder will just cause them to dig their heels in more and start a philosophical war about intellectual property rights. You can''t catch all the pirates, you can''t stop people from downloading things, it''s hard enough to even make a significant dent in the piracy. Even if you catch one group, there are more groups that crack the same stuff; the only change will be which release people download next time. The current system just isn''t working so well and will progressively get worse, maybe it''s time to try something new. Pirates: I don''t want to pay $$$ for this software/music/movie only to get bored with it in a couple days, and copying a file isn''t "stealing" and if I wasn''t going to buy it in the first place, how is it wrong? My response: Whether it is stealing or not, right or wrong, downloading and using copyrighted material is against the law at the moment. More importantly though, if companies don''t get financial compensation for what they make, they will simply stop making it. Everyone needs money to live, and copyrighted material takes a lot of people, a long time to make. The solution: A massive P2P network with paid monthly subscription and controlled content. A small portion of the subscription fee goes to maintaining the P2P network, the rest is distributed to the copyright holders as a function of the amount of downloads from unique paying users. Alright, let me explain how exactly this will work, using the music industry as an example. Let''s say that on average, a music listening person spends about $30 a month on music. Some people buy more, some people by lest, but that''s what it averages out to (this is hypothetical, I don''t know the exact number but I''m estimating here). In the current system, that average of $30 a month is being distributed between music companies in the form of buying CD''s. If instead of buying CD''s, everyone joined the P2P network and paid $35 a month (around 5/month for maintaining the network) to download as many songs from as many artists as they want, that same $30 would be distributed between the music companies. The music industry is still getting the same net income and customers are getting all the music they could ever want completely legally and hassle free. Seems like a win-win situation to me. The same could be done with some software. A separate network with a separate subscription fee could be made for games and it would work much the same way. People get as much content as they want, companies that make good games are rewarded from the high number of downloads, bandwidth wouldn''t be much of a problem in a regulated P2P system. Plus, startup companies would actually have a chance because it would cost nothing to release the game and distribute it. So what do you think? good idea? bad idea? people already tried it?
Avatar God
Avatar God
Even though this probably deserves to go quietly and fade into the dying light, I''ll add some.

First, yeah, i* products do that, really. 99 cent songs are the start. All you''re really suggesting is a different payment method that allows people to pseudo-legally download (that is to say, I don''t know how the labels are getting payed) as many songs as they want in one month, for $35 (and people would not pay more than this). I don''t know about you, but verifying the actual songs alone would be more trouble than it would be worth on a P2P network (i.e., is this *really* Shania Twain? How do we tell?).

Plus, it''s quite feasible to download several thousand songs in one month (hell, in one day, with my connection). 2,000 songs is *not* an unreasonable number to download, either - that''s spending about 1.75 cents per song. Hell, Sign Me Up!

Now, clearly, with some limits this would be more than possible, but I think it would be a much better idea to expand on the pay-by-the-song approach that Apple (and others, now) is using.

Anyways...


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Promit
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Duh, if everything was free to begin with (free as in beer) then there would be no piracy problem.
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Conner McCloud
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Original post by Promit
(free as in beer)

God I hate that phrase.

Your solution wouldn''t solve anything. People will just take the downloads, and place them on Kazaa. Honest people will stay away, because a lot of them don''t buy $35 worth of stuff a month. I would rather pay a little more buying stuff one at a time than risk getting screwed when I''m trying to buget things and forget to cancel my subscription. Plus, as has been pointed out, broken downloads and crap will make the service that much worse of a bargain.

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The pirates would use Kazaa instead of your system because it is free and they don''t care.
Subconscious
Subconscious
quote:
Original post by Avatar God
Even though this probably deserves to go quietly and fade into the dying light, I'll add some.

First, yeah, i* products do that, really. 99 cent songs are the start. All you're really suggesting is a different payment method that allows people to pseudo-legally download (that is to say, I don't know how the labels are getting payed) as many songs as they want in one month, for $35 (and people would not pay more than this). I don't know about you, but verifying the actual songs alone would be more trouble than it would be worth on a P2P network (i.e., is this *really* Shania Twain? How do we tell?).



You missed the point entirely. 99 cents a song is just repackaging of the current pricing and marketing system, not anything like the concept I'm suggesting. Also, I'm talking about a controlled P2P environment, not just anyone can post whatever they want and it would be done in cooperation with the record lables, so you can be sure that the file you download is authetic.

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Original post by Avatar God
Plus, it's quite feasible to download several thousand songs in one month (hell, in one day, with my connection). 2,000 songs is *not* an unreasonable number to download, either - that's spending about 1.75 cents per song. Hell, Sign Me Up!

Now, clearly, with some limits this would be more than possible, but I think it would be a much better idea to expand on the pay-by-the-song approach that Apple (and others, now) is using



Duh, that's the point... if someone wants to download 2000+ songs and has the connection for it, they could do it. It wouldn't hurt the companies because they would still be getting plenty of money and you would be getting as many songs as you want. The whole point of it is that it's unrestricted.

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The pirates would use Kazaa instead of your system because it is free and they don't care.



If there were a legal alternative to kazaa that is much more reliable, no file duplications, gauranteed quality, and no risk of lawsuits, don't you think it has the possibility of gradually phasing out services like kazaa that are coming under increasing fire from the RIAA? I think that a good case for it could be made and if the record companies got behind it or even software companies, it could change the way people get their copyrighted material.

[edited by - Subconscious on April 22, 2004 11:17:22 PM]
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quote:
Original post by Subconscious
You missed the point entirely. 99 cents a song is just repackaging of the current pricing and marketing system ...

Except you''re no longer forced to put down 20 dollars for 3 good singles and 10 or so turds.

Personally, I like the system we have in Canada. Sharing music is legal. There; much better.


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