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Started by Cibressus Jun 7, 2004 at 7:08 PM 25 replies 950+ views
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Cibressus
Cibressus
everyday i think that we are programing our own demise. My friend know''s vb, and he''s quite skilled in it. but of course vb is''nt a ''real'' languge, it''s not exactuly very hard to use, or hack around with. and companies would reather hire a vb programer like him then a C++ programer like me because he can get the job done faster. my question is are we programing our own demise? do we need a union?
jfclavette
jfclavette
So, a real language should be HARD to program with ?

I guess I have strange priorities.
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Cibressus
Cibressus
it might have to be hard to keep buisness outsourcuing us to 5 year olds.
Agony
Agony
quote:
Original post by Cibressus
my question is are we programing our own demise?
If you think that this is the case, then learn VB. You''ll be just fine then. In fact, learn enough of everything, so that you know how to most effectively get any job done. Is there something dishonorable about this? If VB gets the job done, and gets it done quickly, use it. Seems pretty obvious to me.




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DaWanderer
DaWanderer
A real programmer shouldn''t be intimidated by C, but should be able to accept that C is not the best language for every problem. If you know C in and out, picking up VB should take days.
Conner McCloud
Conner McCloud
quote:
Original post by Raduprv
A real language should be hard to learn...

No it shouldn''t.

CM
Extrarius
Extrarius
Maybe it is like that where you live, but the only programming jobs I know of where I live are for C++ programming and they''re some of the best paying jobs in the area.
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23yrold3yrold
quote:
Original post by DaWanderer
A real programmer shouldn''t be intimidated by C, but should be able to accept that C is not the best language for every problem. If you know C in and out, picking up VB should take days.

"Days"? I learned PHP in about three hours.


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Conner McCloud
Conner McCloud
Crap, I misunderstood you. I thought you were trying to imply that union structures were too kiddie, and should be gotten rid of to save our careers.

No, we do not need a labor union. Unions were great a hundred years ago, but today they just screw things up. If Indians do work just as well as Americans do, then good for them.

Now, do Indians need unions? Perhaps.

CM
capn_midnight
capn_midnight
unions invariably hurt the industry they are implemented in. Take the teacher's union, for example. Oh sure, the union protects their interests and keeps their pay high, but it places no accountability on them, and we've got crap ass teachers.

edit: I will personally organize a group (though not a union) to combat any serious attempt to make an IT union



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[edited by - capn_midnight on June 7, 2004 9:20:32 PM]
Cold_Steel
Cold_Steel
Just because a language is easy doesn''t mean a company will hire just anybody to be a programmer with it. Companies want productivity and a trained programmer is going to be more productive than a 5 year old. (Yeah, extreme example, but you get the idea.

Oh, and if you want a programming job that will never be outsourced, go into the defense industry like I did. Those jobs can''t be outsourced.
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Raduprv
Raduprv
quote:
Original post by Cold_Steel
Oh, and if you want a programming job that will never be outsourced, go into the defense industry like I did. Those jobs can''t be outsourced.


Can''t they? US is already importing weapons and technology from Israel. How long do you think it will take untill they outsource all their army? :D
capn_midnight
capn_midnight
quote:
Original post by Cold_Steel
Just because a language is easy doesn''t mean a company will hire just anybody to be a programmer with it. Companies want productivity and a trained programmer is going to be more productive than a 5 year old. (Yeah, extreme example, but you get the idea.

Oh, and if you want a programming job that will never be outsourced, go into the defense industry like I did. Those jobs can''t be outsourced.


that''s what I plan on doing. maybe I shouldn''t have said that. Kindly shoot yourself now.



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Conner McCloud
Conner McCloud
quote:
Original post by capn_midnight
edit: I will personally organize a group (though not a union) to combat any serious attempt to make an IT union

I''d join.

CM
haro
haro
quote:
Original post by capn_midnight
Take the teacher''s union, for example. the union keeps their pay high


Did you really just say that teachers are well paid? Interesting.

Anyhow, programming should not be difficult to learn or difficult to do. As programming becomes an activity requiring less and less skill, it will naturally spawn derivitive fields that do require increasing levels of skill.
capn_midnight
capn_midnight
quote:
Original post by haro
quote:
Original post by capn_midnight
Take the teacher''s union, for example. the union keeps their pay high


Did you really just say that teachers are well paid? Interesting.

Anyhow, programming should not be difficult to learn or difficult to do. As programming becomes an activity requiring less and less skill, it will naturally spawn derivitive fields that do require increasing levels of skill.


for the crap job they do? teachers (especially college professors) have almost complete job security. And any time they are pressured to improve (you know, like actually be able to pass the tests they administer), they threaten to strike and demand a raise.



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Ainokea
Ainokea
quote:
Original post by capn_midnight
quote:
Original post by haro
quote:
Original post by capn_midnight
Take the teacher''s union, for example. the union keeps their pay high


Did you really just say that teachers are well paid? Interesting.

Anyhow, programming should not be difficult to learn or difficult to do. As programming becomes an activity requiring less and less skill, it will naturally spawn derivitive fields that do require increasing levels of skill.


for the crap job they do? teachers (especially college professors) have almost complete job security. And any time they are pressured to improve (you know, like actually be able to pass the tests they administer), they threaten to strike and demand a raise.



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My Dad is a teacher and I beleive he does a very good job. Though my teachers are generally bad. No about that pay thing please shut up. My family is lower middle class.
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