Please people can''t you do some thinking before posting - I know you hit the dirt quite a few times when starting coding, but the true fun of coding and general problem solving is to try and find solutions yourself. The entire experience of finding a problem to finding a solution is far better than simply asking for the correct answer. Remember how you learn maths ? You get a problem, try to solve it - and then check if your answer was correct. Try the same approach when coding - you find a problem (read bug) which you try to solve. Here the answer lies in removing the compilers complaints. It can be done, without depending on constant help from other people. Just to clarify - when I started coding there was no Internet game programming sites - no messageboards. If you got stuck - you pulled out the manuals and tried to find a solution. Don''t get me wrong, I feel the Internet is great - I use it everyday while doing research for algorithms etc. I''m not trying to force you to re-invent the wheel all the time - but some wheels are quite useful to design and implement. Please feel free to post meningful messages to this thread. Thanks for your time BZ

If you are so experienced with the board tell me why you are still ''Initiate''...

well uuuhhh, i think your first post wasn''t so meaningfull either.

Although bz sounds fairly arrogant in his proposal, I think there is a valid point in some cases there.

How many times have you seen messages like ''i need to make an adventure game, someone tell me how to do it''


But this forum is a great place for learning and teaching, and occasionally someone will ask a question which to them seems genuine etc, but someone more experienced might find tedious and/or offensive due to the posters level of knowledge. I know I have solved many problems using this forum, problems that arent documented in any manuals etc

I guess if you dont like the messages on the board, simply dont read them ....

Cel

Well Now,

Bz: It might have been a good idea to post this in the lounge...

STVOY

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Edited by - STVOY on October 20, 2000 8:03:03 AM

Yeah how come your an initiate, wise one?

I find your attitude a bit on the grumpy side. Were you bored or something? And do you realize the irony of your post? You posted a message saying "no one here thinks and they ask stupid questions". This is amusing considering the pointlessness of your thread.

Now what I think about your "try it yourself first philosophy":

While some people here post stupid posts and post things like "I have this assignment coming up.." and "write me quake 5...", most are genuine and most deserve each others help. After all this is what it is all about. A community that helps others and in return receives help when needed. Some may call for more help. Perhaps they have a heavy workload. Perhaps they are beginners. Perhaps they are just inquisitive.

But this community isn''t a communist one; no-one gets the same amount of help and no-one gives the same. Nevertheless I think things are fairly even. Dumb questions are mainly kept to the lounge and people appreciate others'' help.

So to conclude, BZ: I don''t think people go here as a first port of call. They have tried, and this is their preferred source of info; real people with real answers. Not some manual.



-=[ Lucas ]=-

The problem is that people must not rely too much on us.
IMO they should only come here, as you said, if they didn''t find the info by themselves.

Note that I don''t mean they should find it alone, but I mean that they are plenty of search engine out there, and this website, like many others, contains many helpfull articles answering many questions we''re seeing in here.

Many kind of questions are asked, and I simply think that each people answer those they want to.

I don''t read all the threads, only those with interesting topics where I can help and learn.

If you dislike the topics, don''t read them, nobody force you to read them (I hope).

-* So many things to do, so little time to spend. *-

Since when does board ranking reflect wisdom? I think he''s got a valid point. Solving problems is one of the things I really enjoy about programming. When I figure out an algo or squash a bug I feel a great sense of achievement. It''s what keeps me coding. I use the board for help with those problems that beat me.

It''s not like you get instant answers here, whenever I get a problem while coding I try my very best to solve it myself... To be on the safe side I post here for assistance as well, and check back later if I can''t find a solution myself (or for an even better solution)...

Quote:
"when I started coding there was no Internet game programming sites - no messageboards..."

I''ll tell you what, thanks to the Internet and sites such as Gamedev I''m able to catch up with guys like you in no time...

Ok guys, I wasn''t bored when I wrote this, and I actually don''t understand the flaming about being a initiate - I just signed up 5 minutes before posting. I see some you actually understood the topic instead of the usual - ''this guy posted something which made me mad - so I''m going to flame him all the way to hell...''.

Well what can I say - cool for you

By the way - want to see how a REAL messageboard community is used - check out the Flipcode messagecenter (www.flipcode.com). Sure, the posts overthere are a bit on the advanced side - but come on... how many of the several thousands of post on this messageboard could not have been solved by gently tapping F1 (assuming you''re using visual c++) and scouting around in the MSDN library. The help files and manuals are actually there for a reason

One common argument people use is - why plunge trough manuals when I simply can ask someone for the answer. You''re right it is much simpler - but then again when do it yourself you learn how to quickly find information - you develop strong researching skills - which can be used later on in advanced projects where there are no answers - when you start to inovate.

Now please, these are my personal thoughts - if you don''t like them my advice is: let the flame wars begin...

BZ