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Lode
Lode
Hi, I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I suppose there are some people who know a lot about electronics here. In januari I have exams so I'm obviously studying now, but we have this course about "Analog Components for Signal Processing" which handles about a lot of stuff, including Phase Lock Loops (PLLs). Now in my university a lot of professors have the bad habbit to give us no book whatsoever, only the slides they use during the classes. And slides are known to contain only a few words and no explanations whatsoever. So all I have about these PLLs is some slides with formulas and the shematic of a PLL. It never sais exactly what a PLL does tho :( If this is considered a "homework question" please close this thread. However I'm convinced that it's not, and I've been trying to find out this stuff myself too, and even google doesn't help me! Can someone help me? I have a few questions about PLL's. What does a PLL actually do? Appearantly it "locks to a frequency", but to what frequency? If it locks to the frequency of the input signal, then the output signal has the same frequency as the input signal, so why not use the input signal itself? If you use a PLL, is there actually a difference between the input and the output signal? What frequency does a PLL lock to, and for how long / until what event happens? There is also a Voltage Controlled Oscillator (VCO) in the PLL. What does this component actually do? It's output is a signal with a frequency controlled by the input, but the input itself also has some frequency already. How is the output frequency controlled? By the amplitude, the frequency of the phase of the VCO input? There is also a "lead-lag" filter in a PLL. Yet another word that pops up without any further explanation, do you know what this is and what it does? And the Phase Detector appearantly just multiplies two input signals. How can such a multiplication detect a phase? (I won't even mention the "EXOR" and "charge pump" phase detectors that appear a few slides later) And final question, it's called a PHASE lock loop, and yet all they talk about on the slides is frequencies. What's going on here? Thanks for the help and sorry for this terrible post in the GDNet Lounge, I guess it must be my exam-stress (New Year and Christmas? what's that?)
Andrew Russell
Andrew Russell
Don't worry, your post is fine.

I don't know what a PLL is, but one peice of advice - if google can't give you info on it - be sure your professor is not making up his own terms for things. It could be that it's a very simple and obvious thing, but he's used his on pet name for it.

Oh, and "phase" refers to the offset of some signal (where a signal starts, usually relitive to another signal). Frequency is obviously how "fast" it goes (how many times the signal repeats per second).

At a guess, it will take signal A and make sure it starts at the same time as signal B (puts it in phase with B).

(Hope I havn't just mastered the obvious for you [smile])
Dmytry
Dmytry
can you just post some schematics? Sometimes i'm is unfamiliar with terminology, but maybe i can say what's it when i see it...
python_regious
python_regious
Phase-Locked-Loops is certainly not a made up term by your professor, and I'm rather suprised you can't find anything about them on google. Unfortunately, I don't get home to my vast library of books until the 31st, so I can't really give any sort of coherent and truthful answer until then ( I like to confirm my thoughts by looking things up first ).

EDIT: Just googled, and found hundreds of thousands of hits. This seems a pretty good page, though I haven't read it all.
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Lode
Lode
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Original post by Dmytry
can you just post some schematics? Sometimes i'm is unfamiliar with terminology, but maybe i can say what's it when i see it...


           +----------------+        +----------------+V_in------>|                |------->|Low Pass Filter |---+---------V_out           | Phase Detector |        +----------------+   |      +--->|                |                             |      |    +----------------+                             |      |                                                   |      |                         V_osc  +-----+   V_cntl   |      +--------------------------------| VCO |<-----------+                                       +-----+
kSquared
kSquared
Disclaimer: I'm not an EE, and I've never heard of a phase-locked loop until you mentioned it. However, this site looks like it's a good resource for what you want. I read a few paragraphs and understood most of it, and I probably would've gotten the hang of it if I'd invested a few more minutes. I'd copy and paste a snippet, but the author is being an asshat and has inserted "onSelectionStart="return false;"" tags into his page.

edit: I missed python's post up above; he's already posted to this link. Oops! Sorry.

[Edited by - kSquared on December 28, 2004 9:55:03 AM]
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Dmytry
Dmytry
Yes, it's good article... python_regious already posted exactly that clickster.

As i understand this article, main reasons to use it:
1:radio receiving. Signal from feedback contains our modulation signal, that is, sound if it is FM radio, and with some phase-shifting, this can be used to receive AM.
2:frequency multiplying.
3:changing shape of signal, and for example, doing scan synchro in TV.
and probably some other reasons.

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