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Started by msn12b Dec 7, 2000 at 3:32 PM 8 replies 1.2k views
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msn12b
msn12b
(Or It''s time for another rant from MSN ) Over in the DirectX/OpenGL forum, I''ve sparked a little flame war over a comparison between DX execute buffers and the new vertex/pixel shaders. The flames are pretty well partitioned into two groups: those that think I should tone things down
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Original post by remo nonetheless you''re being acting like a mentally retarded ape. anyway look at the result - you''ve kept the thread going a lot longer than it otherwise might have.
(This is the best reply I''ve had all day. Seriously.) And those who think I''m an arrogant prepubescent sexually repressed prick:
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Original post by Draigan People like this msn12b are just morons who firmly believe they are among the smart people on earth, with brains superior to most. (...) So MSN12b, why don''t you just lock yourself back up in your mom''s bedroom and continue to masturbate about your incredible knowledge. And then when you''re done, you can take you half-assed brain and stick it up your anus where it belongs.
Let me pick apart this post to show how utterly ignorant and baseless the argument is. (If you want to see the thread in all it''s glory, go here.) 1. Dion presumes that I like to sound smart when I post on the GDNet forums. Anyone who knows me even remotely knows I don''t post to sound smart, I post to bitch. It helps cleanse me of the anger that rises in my liver when I see posts that expound rather ignorant opinions as fact. 2. Dion seems to have missed some of my more notable rants, the best of which is in the Soapbox section, where I clearly state that newbie programmers should teach themselves with the wide range of information available on the internet and in bookstores and libraries. (Reading his post again, I''m not sure what he''s talking about, but he seems to think I don''t acknowledge the source of my knowledge... ugh, that didn''t sound right.) 3. Dion accuses me of wantonly insulting others only for the enjoyment of wallowing in others'' pain of stupidity. I guess he either forgets or ignores the fact that every insult I throw out comes with evidence to back it up. If I say virulent words, it is for a specific purpose: to deter the target from pursuing a path that will eventually lead to false knowledge and practice. I simply seek to be correct, not right. 4. As to the spread of intelligence, I sincerely doubt that''s what Kylotan tried to accomplish with his post:
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Original post by Kylotan What do you all think of this? Don''t you think it''s somewhat ironic that MS brought back a technology that was almost universally condemned the first time around, only to reintroduce it as a different part of the API? Even the article on this site refers to ''write-only code''. Do you think it was a mistake? Can anyone think of a better way to implement shaders? I''d welcome some informed opinion and discussion on all this.
Now, it seems to me his is trying to promote discussion in a particular direction, namely, that Micro$oft fucked up royally in its implementation of the new shader architecture. Hardly open discussion. If this is indeed spreading of intelligence, may I be forever the internal blockage that prevents its ominous dissemination. I don''t think I can decipher the rest of this utter tripe, so let''s move on. I may be an ass, but more often than not I know what I''m talking about. If you want to argue with me on the facts, that''s fine. But don''t presume to know me simply because I presume to be correct. It''s an attitude that will be your downfall when dealing with me. I don''t talk unless I know exactly what I''m talking about. Don''t assume otherwise. MSN
Fantasy Edge
Fantasy Edge
Im sure that you are proud that you started this. but it is stupid.

I am not text, I am not organized pixels, I am not killed by turning off your monitor, I am not isolated by turning off your computer. I just am.

Conshape Electronic Arts


Vetinari
Vetinari
All this from one who once flamed the hell out of me for asking reasonable questions where a moderator suggested.

I always thought you posted to brag or attempt to show superiority. Not that it''s always a bad thing - I always find reading your posts worthwile for their entertainment value (like this one).


Mike
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Fantasy Edge
Fantasy Edge
who might you be refering to?

I am not text, I am not organized pixels, I am not killed by turning off your monitor, I am not isolated by turning off your computer. I just am.

Conshape Electronic Arts


Nebob
Nebob
You''re an ass. Yes, you are. You may be right, and you may be wrong, and that has nothing to do with anything. What it comes down to is that you are an ass.
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Gregor_Samsa
Gregor_Samsa
msn, Your style of writing in these forums is usually argumentative and offensive. This sometimes causes things to get personal. You have to accept that some people are not going to understand you. Besides, you take controversial opinions usually and people don''t like that. Anyway, my point is that people are always going to react that way to you. Some people are just like that.

Vetinari sometimes does the same thing as you. He just has a way of pissing people off. But, eventually you realize that it''s just his style.

So just continue what you are doing and don''t be suprised if people get mad at you. People like you are important to the site.

"When i was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse, out of
the corner of my mind. I turned to look, but it was
gone, I cannot put my finger on it now. The child has
grown, the dream has gone." -Pink Floyd
"When i was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse, out ofthe corner of my mind. I turned to look, but it was gone, I cannot put my finger on it now. The child hasgrown, the dream has gone." -Pink Floyd
Fantasy Edge
Fantasy Edge
As nice as it is to just say, nope and close the thread. I think that a good flame war is some very good reading. although i have noticed that a lot of these posts generally degrade into opinionated rants that are divoid of all spelling and grammer and in some cases even the point that they started with. Obviously there are points where we dont really want to have to deal with it such as religion and politics but this is one of those funny ones.
This might have somthing to do with my somewhat zero percent understanding of programming.
This guy is an ass but hey, it is some good reading and flame wars are actully a very good soarce of good ideas on occasion. I think that we all have started one or two of these things anyway (i know that i have)
Incidently, mr furby has made me curious. how old are you? i do not like the tone "in my day".

I am not text, I am not organized pixels, I am not killed by turning off your monitor, I am not isolated by turning off your computer. I just am.

Conshape Electronic Arts


Kylotan
Kylotan
MSN, you are clearly a better programmer than me, but that''s really no reason to be so confrontational about everything. Seems most people on this thread at least agree. My thread merely stated my opinion and called for discussion. Why on earth you referred to it as spreading ''FUD'' I have no idea. Do you own a large quantity of Microsoft stock or something? I''m not trying to get people to stop using one thing or start using another. I don''t really care either way. Just because I happened to place both the call for discussion and my own opinion in the same post doesn''t mean I was unwilling to hear counterarguments. But you seem to think that if someone says something you disagree with, that it''s your cue to start acting insulting. Now, I have posted over a thousand times on these boards, as old-timers here (including yourself) will know, and the massive majority of those posts have been to help other people in the game developing scene. May I suggest that, if you don''t need to ask any questions (since you are obviously competent enough as it is), and you are more interested in insulting others than helping them, that you may as well stop posting?
Ferrit
Ferrit
I''ve been follwing this thread and its brother (the shaders one), and came to some conclusions. msn12b, there is no doubt that you are in the know, and probably right. But stop for a second. Kylotan posted a post asking a question. It may''ve been provocative, as you were clearly offended. but remember. Although you found his post offensive, the post wasn''t aimed at anyone, therefore, take offense, but not on a personal level. If your''re pissed off, sure, out-smart him, but not on a personal, playground-style level. You have a lot of knowledge, and abusing people into acepting your views is wrong. Try and convince people, not offend them! So everyone, just chill.
InsanE
InsanE
Well I am not very familar to DirectX and those Executing Buffers but I read the posts and are really disapointed. Why? Ok let''s resume what happened. Some guy has started posting a question. Than msn12b has pointed that guy in the right direction. He may have insult him and that''s really not fine. But now this topic isn''t anymore some kind of API discussion. It is a justification for answering a question. Well, have we "game" developers really the time to discuss about topics that are not "worth" to be discussed? In this time (and even now when I am writing) there are several posts of developers that are really "hot" getting an answer to there question in order to process further in there programs. Why do we need to argue about the flame war when this is really not the important point. The important point is getting the needed information and to understand it. Why are most of you being shocked when somebody is going to flame you for your post. As long as you get your information I would give a fuck.

This is certainly just my point of view but somehow I had the feeling to say what''s going on in my mind ;-)

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