iBook

I don't get it, everyone's getting Apple Notebooks. Use i386 computers, fools. [bawling]

I know someone who had an iBook. It broke, she is now getting a Compaq Presario.

... Just thought I'd share that little story.

I dig Xcode. What's your problem with it? I find it a lot lighter than VS7.

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Original post by Mercury I don't get it, everyone's getting Apple Notebooks. Use i386 computers, fools. [bawling]

Don't worry I am not a fool but you are. I am going to use my i686 instead of an old i386.

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Original post by Ravuya I dig Xcode. What's your problem with it? I find it a lot lighter than VS7.

I've heard a lot of people complaining that it doesn't have the features that VS7 has.

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Original post by Ainokea Don't worry I am not a fool but you are. I am going to use my i686 instead of an old i386.

i386 has come to mean any of the processors that are compatable with the 386 processor. Anything from athlons to durons to pentiums.

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Original post by Mercury I don't get it, everyone's getting Apple Notebooks. Use i386 computers, fools. [bawling]

Before long, those things will be one and the same.

Welcome aboard, CoffeeMug! I must warn you, though. Once you've had Mac you'll never go back. [smile]

XCode isn't too bad, I do think the indexing it does is rather bizarre. But who can complain about Terminal? I mean, the prettiest OS GUI combined with a Unix shell, who can complain?

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Original post by Mercury I must warn you, though. Once you've had Mac you'll never go back. [smile]

I went back.

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Original post by capn_midnight Quote: Original post by Mercury I must warn you, though. Once you've had Mac you'll never go back. [smile] I went back.

I didn't say that. [smile]

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Original post by capn_midnight Quote: Original post by Mercury I must warn you, though. Once you've had Mac you'll never go back. [smile] I went back.

I got my toes wet with it and I don't like it. Some things from the shell and the way the UI interacts differently than what's expected make me don't like it, like for instance when trying to solve a java error(see for beginners for the java/mac OS thread) doing a ls|grep java just executes ls, and nothing more. Another thing is when selecting something from the term, middle clicking doesn't paste, it just brings up the dashboard. I dunno about you window boys, maybe after trying mac you don't wanna go back to windows, but mac OS just doesn't feel unixy enough for us Linux/*BSD people. That and I think I've been too spoiled with xfce.

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Original post by eedok Quote: Original post by capn_midnight Quote: Original post by Mercury I must warn you, though. Once you've had Mac you'll never go back. [smile] I went back. I got my toes wet with it and I don't like it. Some things from the shell and the way the UI interacts differently than what's expected make me don't like it, like for instance when trying to solve a java error(see for beginners for the java/mac OS thread) doing a ls|grep java just executes ls, and nothing more. Another thing is when selecting something from the term, middle clicking doesn't paste, it just brings up the dashboard. I dunno about you window boys, maybe after trying mac you don't wanna go back to windows, but mac OS just doesn't feel unixy enough for us Linux/*BSD people. That and I think I've been too spoiled with xfce.

ls | grep java works fine for me. Why doesn't it feel unixy enough? It has all the standard tools.

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Original post by eedok Quote: Original post by capn_midnight Quote: Original post by Mercury I must warn you, though. Once you've had Mac you'll never go back. [smile] I went back. I got my toes wet with it and I don't like it. Some things from the shell and the way the UI interacts differently than what's expected make me don't like it, like for instance when trying to solve a java error(see for beginners for the java/mac OS thread) doing a ls|grep java just executes ls, and nothing more. Another thing is when selecting something from the term, middle clicking doesn't paste, it just brings up the dashboard. I dunno about you window boys, maybe after trying mac you don't wanna go back to windows, but mac OS just doesn't feel unixy enough for us Linux/*BSD people. That and I think I've been too spoiled with xfce.

It feels unixy enough for me and I can run XFCE on it fine. Perhaps you entered your command incorrectly, ls | grep java appears to work the same on my Mac as my FBSD box and Ubuntu machine.

I remember once, while waiting for a flight, I was killing time programming on my laptop. A person came up and sat in the seat next to me (there were heaps of seats spare), and opened up his mac. After stuffing about a bit, he then proceeded to start playing a game (It looked to be at least 4 years old). He kept at it, then he started giving slightly scary glances, sortof 'huh! huh!' sortof thing, showing off his doubtlessly very expensive mac. He was trying so hard to show how much better his mac laptop was. Needless to say I had to respond, so I eventually minimized VS2005, and about 15 explorer windows, and did the only thing I could think of. I played some doom3 [wink].
1024x786, high quality. Tried my dammedest not to move a muscle. At this point the guy completly stopped dead, and eventually left. It was so weirdly satisfying [smile]


Not that I have anything against macs, they are great machines. It's the fanatics I can't stand (same with linux etc, windows don't really have fanatics...).

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ls | grep java ... etc

It would be very odd if that didn't work... Heck, It even works in windows! (dir | find "java") [wink][wink][wink][wink] mac os must be terrible, can't even do basic command line :P
(joke!)

Welcome to the club.

I love my iBook! Aside from the two logic board failures, the combo drive that can't burn at more than 4x, the power adapter that literally went up in smoke, and the broken battery clip, that is. At least the software is generally quite nice.

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1. Xcode is a bloated piece of shit and IMO it isn't far ahead of Kdevelop.

I love my eMac and I love my Emacs. With auto-complete, etags, gdb, grep and a bit of scripting (macros mostly) I don't need to care anymore about what Microsoft is doing to lock everyone on their particular platform.

So, umm... would you like to test your 1337 hax0r Mac skillz? If so, I think I have the ultimate test for you :D
Seriously, I am looking for someone to compile and possibly test EL for Mac, as no developer has a Mac computer, and the OSX version SHOULD work.

On an unrelated note, I am curious when will the first "Install Gentoo on it!" post come :D

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Original post by BitBlt XCode isn't too bad, I do think the indexing it does is rather bizarre.

The UI is bloated. What are all those menus when I first open it? I don't even have a project yet! When I create a project why do I suddenly see so much crap? I just care about my source files. I guess I can get used to it once I do a little more work. We'll see.

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Original post by BitBlt But who can complain about Terminal? I mean, the prettiest OS GUI combined with a Unix shell, who can complain?

Yeah. The first time you open a terminal and find that you're running bash with all standard unix commands under that beautiful UI is a mindbending experience.

BTW, how does user management work in OSX? I went through the user setup process after OSX install and found that I am running as an admin. Does "allow this user to administrate this machine" mean the user is root? What's the default password for root, I was never asked to type it in. Why am I running as an admin by default?

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Original post by Diodor With auto-complete, etags, gdb, grep and a bit of scripting (macros mostly) I don't need to care anymore about what Microsoft is doing to lock everyone on their particular platform.

Yes, because Apple isn't doing anything to turn everyone into cash cows. Yesterday I found out that I can't run external display at a resolution above 1024x768 on the iBook even though its hardware is capable of doing it. Apparently they disabled this feature so people who need it would buy PowerBooks. I had to run a thirdparty firmware patch to make it work.

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Original post by Raduprv So, umm... would you like to test your 1337 hax0r Mac skillz? If so, I think I have the ultimate test for you :D

PM me with instructions (site url, cvs info, compilation instructions, whatever). I'll try to find the time to do it. Gotta get into OSX development one way or the other [smile]

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Original post by Raduprv On an unrelated note, I am curious when will the first "Install Gentoo on it!" post come :D

Yes, I'm considering it [grin] I don't think I could trade that beautiful UI for the [relative] monstrosity that is KDE (or Gnome).

BTW, how does the UI work? Is it a process comparable to X server that I could kill or is it part of the kernel? Can I choose not to run the UI (just for the sake of education [smile])?

Some more questions about OSX. Why is it that whenever I press the little "x" on a window the application isn't really killed, it's still "kind of" running (but not really?) I need to press ctrl-Q for the app to be truly killed? What does this mean?

[Edited by - CoffeeMug on September 14, 2005 8:59:37 AM]

i am about to get myself the 12' ibook as well - does Eclipse run on it (memory wise)?

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Original post by CoffeeMug Quote: Original post by Diodor With auto-complete, etags, gdb, grep and a bit of scripting (macros mostly) I don't need to care anymore about what Microsoft is doing to lock everyone on their particular platform. Yes, because Apple isn't doing anything to turn everyone into cash cows. Yesterday I found out that I can't run external display at a resolution above 1024x768 on the iBook even though its hardware is capable of doing it. Apparently they disabled this feature so people who need it would buy PowerBooks. I had to run a thirdparty firmware patch to make it work.

That was more about using Emacs as an IDE (which works greatly on a full-screen mode XFree86 window managing system installed on my Mac). Anyway, the Unix based partly open source OS X allows you more freedom of migrating to other platforms than the Windows based Windows.

EDIT: Also, your example is about Apple trying to milk some cash out of you (and failing), not about them trying to hijack your professional future.