1 = 1
-1 = -1
1/-1 = -1/1
√(1/-1) = √(-1/1)
√(1)/√(-1) = √(-1)/√(1)
√(-1)√(-1) = √(1)√(1)
√(-1)² = √(1)²
-1 = 1
+5 +5
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4 = 6
/2 /2
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2 = 3
+2 +2
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2+2=5
Any other ways?
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I just had a speech in English today. The first thing I did in my speech happened to be to write a quick "proof" that 2+2=5. Anyways, I though the idea was interesting, and I would like to know some more ways to "prove" this curious little fallacy: (Note: the proof need not be correct, just as long as the mistake is subtle enough for most people to overlook. Cookies to you if you can find the mistake in this one!)
You introduce an error on this line:
√(1)/√(-1) = √(-1)/√(1)
Line 5: 1/i <> i
also for all integers a,b: (a/b)^1/2 <> a^(1/2) / b ^(1/2)
By abott and costello of who's on first base fame:
Proof that 7 x 13 = 28, from the movie In the Navy starring Abbott and Costello
also for all integers a,b: (a/b)^1/2 <> a^(1/2) / b ^(1/2)
By abott and costello of who's on first base fame:
Proof that 7 x 13 = 28, from the movie In the Navy starring Abbott and Costello
Proof: Check #1: Check #2: 13 13 x 7 --- ----- 7 /28 21 - 7 + 7 --- ----- 21 28 - 21 ---- 0 Check #3: 13 13 13 13 13 13 + 13 ------ 28 (3+3+3+3+3+3+3) + (1+1+1+1+1+1+1) In Check #1, multiply 7 x 3 to get 21. Then multiply 7 x 1 to get 7. Then add 21 and 7 to get 28. In Check #2, we check the multiplication problem by dividing one factor into the product. Divide 7 into 2 but it doesn't go. So divide 7 into 8 to get 1. Subtract 7 from 28 to get 21. Now divide 7 into 21 to get 3. So the answer is 13. In Check #3, another way to check a multiplication problem is by addition. To check if 7 x 13 = 28, we add seven 13s together.
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It's been a little while, but isn't taking the square root of a negative 'against the law'...
EDIT: Anyways you could've started with this line:sqrt(1) = sqrt(1)1 = -1
The problem with the "proof" I linked to is that is misapplies the identity √(a) × √(b) = √(a × b). This identity does not necessarily hold on negative real arguments, yet the author assumes it does.
Edit: assuming it was my post you were referring to, which appears, upon re-reading your post, is not the case...
I guess I do not know how to read that proof. When you assert that 2 = 3 is True, I would have to disagree, even if 1 does equal 1. I have not had a proofs class, maybe that is why I do not see how this could prove anything.
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It's been a little while, but isn't taking the square root of a negative 'against the law'...
Well, that depends on what you mean. The square root of a negative is not defined for real numbers, but it is for complex numbers (or, more specifically, imaginary numbers).
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Original post by Deranged
It's been a little while, but isn't taking the square root of a negative 'against the law'...
EDIT: Anyways you could've started with this line:sqrt(1) = sqrt(1)1 = -1
The problem with the "proof" I linked to is that is misapplies the identity √(a) × √(b) = √(a × b). This identity does not necessarily hold on negative real arguments, yet the author assumes it does.
Edit: assuming it was my post you were referring to, which appears, upon re-reading your post, is not the case...
I am confused - according to what the author is saying, sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) ALWAYS. So how is it disproved then?
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Original post by nilkn Quote:
Original post by Deranged
It's been a little while, but isn't taking the square root of a negative 'against the law'...
EDIT: Anyways you could've started with this line:sqrt(1) = sqrt(1)1 = -1
The problem with the "proof" I linked to is that is misapplies the identity √(a) × √(b) = √(a × b). This identity does not necessarily hold on negative real arguments, yet the author assumes it does.
Edit: assuming it was my post you were referring to, which appears, upon re-reading your post, is not the case...
I am confused - according to what the author is saying, sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) ALWAYS. So how is it disproved then?
sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) is only true where a and b are positive real numbers.
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Original post by Deranged
It's been a little while, but isn't taking the square root of a negative 'against the law'...
EDIT: Anyways you could've started with this line:sqrt(1) = sqrt(1)1 = -1
The problem with the "proof" I linked to is that is misapplies the identity √(a) × √(b) = √(a × b). This identity does not necessarily hold on negative real arguments, yet the author assumes it does.
Edit: assuming it was my post you were referring to, which appears, upon re-reading your post, is not the case...
I am confused - according to what the author is saying, sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) ALWAYS. So how is it disproved then?
sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) is only true where a and b are positive real numbers.
Yes, but if you take into account what he has said, sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) for negative numbers too??
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Original post by dustamulet Quote:
Original post by Roboguy Quote:
Original post by dustamulet Quote:
Original post by nilkn Quote:
Original post by Deranged
It's been a little while, but isn't taking the square root of a negative 'against the law'...
EDIT: Anyways you could've started with this line:sqrt(1) = sqrt(1)1 = -1
The problem with the "proof" I linked to is that is misapplies the identity √(a) × √(b) = √(a × b). This identity does not necessarily hold on negative real arguments, yet the author assumes it does.
Edit: assuming it was my post you were referring to, which appears, upon re-reading your post, is not the case...
I am confused - according to what the author is saying, sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) ALWAYS. So how is it disproved then?
sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) is only true where a and b are positive real numbers.
Yes, but if you take into account what he has said, sqrt(a * b) = sqrt(a) * sqrt(b) for negative numbers too??
Take what into account? What are you referring to?
WARNING: this site may offend...
nilkn posted a link to http://cubicao.tk/stupidevil1.html
nilkn posted a link to http://cubicao.tk/stupidevil1.html
2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2...
My math teacher once gave proof that 1 = 5. She did that using a geometry, drawing some elaborate figure, defining a few angles in it and the calculating the rest of the angles in the figure from that using the F and Z rules. One of the angles would be 1 degree or 5 degree, depending on where you started. It stumped the class for quite a while. Sadly I can't remember the proof anymore.
sqrt((-5)*(-5))=sqrt(25)=5
sqrt(-5)*sqrt(-5) = i*sqrt(5)*i*sqrt(5) = i*i*25 = -25
Actually, whenever sqrts are involved, you must be extra careful to remember that equation x2=a for nonzero a has two different roots, x1=+sqrt(a) and x2=-sqrt(a)
e.g. both -1 and 1 works in equation x2=1 .
All sqare root "fallacies" is based on at some point assuming that two roots of x2=a is equal, or rather implicitly assuming that x2=a has one root that is same.
It isn't really proof, just there is mistake in the chain that may go unnoticed because chain is long.
sqrt(-5)*sqrt(-5) = i*sqrt(5)*i*sqrt(5) = i*i*25 = -25
Actually, whenever sqrts are involved, you must be extra careful to remember that equation x2=a for nonzero a has two different roots, x1=+sqrt(a) and x2=-sqrt(a)
e.g. both -1 and 1 works in equation x2=1 .
All sqare root "fallacies" is based on at some point assuming that two roots of x2=a is equal, or rather implicitly assuming that x2=a has one root that is same.
It isn't really proof, just there is mistake in the chain that may go unnoticed because chain is long.
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