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necreia
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The surprise here is that China and Japan are doing what they said they would do, even selling off some of their holdings. If Japan and China are not buying the government debt, who is buying? The little islands of the Caribbean stand out. Obviously, they are not wealthy nations with the wherewithal to by such quantities for their own natives who are harvesting coconuts. They are acting on behalf of investors from other nations who are passing money through the banks of the Caribbean to make their purchases. Unfortunately, the US Treasury is unable to capture the true source of this money since they only know the first party of their transactions. The most cynical observers offer a theory that the US government itself might be behind these off shore operations to prop up the dollar. They have no evidence, and we are unlikely to ever know.
I'm, first off, curious if this is credible information. I've read other such reports... but it's almost too "movie-like" to be true (Secret conspiracy backdoor investors!!) And, why is national debt/deficit not made a bigger deal of in the USA? I cannot fathom how this is acceptable... isn't this just one huge game of Economical Jenga? Without a 360-degree turn, I can't see how this would not fall apart... and very very badly. Admittingly I'm not an Economist, so maybe someone can enlighten me.
LessBread
LessBread
That article is nearly a year old.
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Strider_Hiryu
Strider_Hiryu
Though the article is old, what really grabs me is this 'unknown source' that was buying US debt. Did they ever find out who that was?
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necreia
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Original post by LessBread
That article is nearly a year old.


Are you saying that in a way to show that things have changed since, or that it's repost? If the latter, sorry [sad] (I don't remember seeing it)
Luckless
Luckless
Wouldn't shock me at all to see the developed world shift from the current from of economics to a sort of self supporting monolopies in the next 100 years. Bascially the numbers in computers with the little dollar signs will truely mean nothing, and most production will be on demand, not by what can be afforded, but by what people actually demand.

I am pridicting that such a thing will be tried for maybe 50 years before failing and converting yet again to a system similar to what we are now using for awhile before going back to try again. This cycle will likely repeat, with maybe a few world wars, and dictators in there somewhere.

A complexly simple system is what is needed. remove a lot of the white collar jobs, increase blue collar with large amounts of robotic assistance. Decrease working hours overall, stop production of cheap goods and provide only well made and long lasting products. Increase in transit, telecom, and eduction, refocus the world to higher learning and arts rather than seeking the allmighty coinage!

now, while everyone here starts dreaming of utopia, I'm off to the stock market to try and make an unholy hoard of wealth.
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LessBread
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Original post by LessBread
That article is nearly a year old.


Are you saying that in a way to show that things have changed since, or that it's repost? If the latter, sorry [sad] (I don't remember seeing it)


While the story rings a bell, I'm not certain it came up here before. I'd like to see the story made current, that is, what is the current state of affairs?
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Strider_Hiryu
Strider_Hiryu
Current Debt levels, and articles relating ot the subject

Wikipedia on US public debt

It is my understanding that China and Japan are no longer purchasing US debt.

I haven't found anything as to the current state of US debt owned by other countries.
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FroZtByte
FroZtByte
China's still buying tons of the debt up, so are Japan and Britain.
Dollar collapse would kill the world's economy and China needs someone to buy it's cheap rubbish.

Bush has only borrowed $1.1 trillion-ish from Foreign governments since he's been in power, most of the $8.3 trillion debt isn't intergovernment. Only $3.5 trillion in total is owned by foreign governments, the rest is held by 'the public', which I imagine mostly is banks.

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