Tired

Execise? Eat better? Perhaps you have some horrible disease. Damned if I know, I'm not a doctor.

I slept for 17 hours a few weekends ago.

What had happened was, on Friday I pulled nearly in all nighter (roughy 5:30AM), and then I slept the entire day. When I woke up (some 12 hours later), it was dark outside, and the temperature had dropped quite a bit (Making it very comfortable to be in my warm bed. I sat up, looked at my clock, looked out my window, and then crashed on my bed (For 5 hours).

Dispite my prolonged sleep, I woke up fine after that. No shoulder pains, nothing. Try sleeping without a pillow. The first semester of University, my parents forgot to bring a pillow up, and so I went a week with no pillow. When they finally brought it up, I had already gotten quite adjusted to sleeping with no pillow, and found it uncomfortable to go back to using a pillow (Dispite using a pillow throughout all my childhood), and thus, I went henceforth sleeping without a pillow.

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Original post by smart_idiot Execise? Eat better? Perhaps you have some horrible disease. Damned if I know, I'm not a doctor.

Nah, I've let a doctor do a blood research once, and he didn't find anything, not even missing minerals.

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Original post by Lode I rarely get enough sleep these days, I often get into bed when the birds are already singing again, and the next morning get up close to noon, with a major headache, weak feeling, coffee doesn't seem to help. I don't understand, even though my hours are shifted, I still often get 7-8 hours sleep a night. But even after such nights I feel so weak next day. And sometimes in a weekend I sleep like 11 hours. Guess what, after 11 hours of sleep it's only worse! Because of sleeping so long, I feel much more weak all day and have more headache, because it's as if I want to keep sleeping there all day. What is this, why am I so tired always, and what can I do to feel more energetic, when coffee isn't really helping (it helps a bit but not enough)? Oh yeah and I forgot to mention that my shoulders are often sore, and it seems to be related to how tired/weak I feel.

Well, how long has this been happening? You mentioned a weekend and changed sleeping patterns, so, at least a week or two? Sometimes when I go to bed at 3-4am consistently for 4 or so days, I get headaches for the next couple of days, so I have to force myself to go to bed no later than 11pm-12am and that usually fixes it. I just always figured that I can't really screw around my sleeping patterns like that.

But if this has been going on for a while you should get the doctor (I know you said you had some blood tests done) to do a full work up. Everything he can possibly think of.

The only thing I can come up with (using my non-existent background in, well, everything) is that a couple of my friends that had chronic fatigue told me that they had some similar symptoms to yours. But because I don't want to scare you, I'll just remind you again, that I know nothing about anything even vaguely medical.

Well you mention something about changed hours and if that is the case where you have changed work hours or even daylight savings time here in US can screw up your sleep patterns for weeks afterwards!
In that case I wouldn't worry about it.
If that is not the case it could be depression since that will also cause you to want to sleep more and more and you won't feel like doing anything all day.
Also where I live you might have lyme disease or the nile virus from mosquitos which exhibit similar symptoms and those really are something to worry about!
It could also just be the flu or a virus that you haven't gotten over completely or as had been posted above it could be as simple as you changed your pillow or bed mattress and it doesn't agree with you.

We really need a 'Guess which disease I've got!' forum.

Seriously though it sounds like your lack if sleep is the symptom, not the cause. Most people usually sleep like shit when they've got a headache, which might be related to the overly tense muscles in your shoulders. Make sure your getting enough fluids that aren't coffee. In fact, stop drinking coffee. Coffee does not help you, it will dehydrate you and make your headaches worse, and if your drinking enough would probably also mess with your sleeping.

Either that, or you have a life-threatening neurological disorder that it only just starting to show symptoms. You will continue to deteriorate until all you can do is drewl down your left side while permenantly holding a stupid grin on the right.


I give you 50/50 chance of survival.

Sleeping through the morning and the noon is the worst. Not only you miss the most productive part of the day, but it doesn't give you any rest, it just makes you more tired. I also don't usually sleep before 5-6 am. I try to get up at around 10, and I feel amazingly better that on the days I get up at noon. Then, I usually get a short sleep(1-2 hours) on the afternoon, and I rarely drink coffee. Also, make sure that when you stay up at night, don't sit and do nothing in front of the TV, or waste your time on chats or online games, because that's making you also fell tired and depressed. Go out with friends, or for a walk, or if you stay in do something you like(painting,programming,reading,whatever).

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Original post by mikemanAlso, make sure that when you stay up at night, don't sit and do nothing in front of the TV, or waste your time on chats or online games, because that's making you also fell tired and depressed. Go out with friends, or for a walk, or if you stay in do something you like(painting,programming,reading,whatever).

Good excuse - don't be lazy, it's for your health! [grin] I need to remember that one when I'm playing Soldat at 1 am.

Stop drinking coffee, eat a balanced diet, take vitamin supplements, and most of all get some sun and exercise each day. Youll feel exhausted at first but after a week or so youll be surprised at how much better you feel. Dont get to much sleep either, every now and then Ill sleep 11 hours but the overkill actually ends up making me sleepier. Unless Im in extremely unusual circumstances such as having gone an incredibly long time without sleep.

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Original post by Lode I rarely get enough sleep these days, I often get into bed when the birds are already singing again, and the next morning get up close to noon, with a major headache, weak feeling, coffee doesn't seem to help. What is this, why am I so tired always, and what can I do to feel more energetic, when coffee isn't really helping (it helps a bit but not enough)?

Here's one theory, your messing with your circadian rhythm.

As for feeling more energetic, get some regular exercise. Initially it will tire you out even more, but it won't take long before it starts giving you a boost in overall energy.

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Original post by joanusdmentia We really need a 'Guess which disease I've got!' forum.

Diagnose me!!! Hypochondriacs of the world unite!

We need a new acronym. We can modify "ianal" (I am not a lawyer) to become "ianamd" (I am not a medical doctor) - both of those should end with a "b" because they are always followed by the word "but".

Be glad, most people never hear the birds sing in the morning.


(never let us diagnose you)..

But on topic.. I actually have some same 'symptoms ..' and I get used to it. Since my 18th year I am used to be more productive at night and be in sleep-sate in daylight. (quite difficult with work of course but I manage)..So my metabolism is 100 % reverse in comparion with normal humans. I get used to it, so do you. ^_^

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Original post by LessBread We need a new acronym. We can modify "ianal" (I am not a lawyer) to become "ianamd" (I am not a medical doctor) - both of those should end with a "b" because they are always followed by the word "but".

I propose "mamky" -- "My Advice May Kill You".

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Original post by Will F Here's one theory, your messing with your circadian rhythm.

Damn, someone beat me to it.

I'm cursed with a somewhat shifted circadian rhythm. I begin to feel tired in the morning and TOTALLY energetic at night, despite an hour long walk (often jogged) to and from work each day. I ended up coming up with a solution, though.

Exercise before sleep. Do pushups, situps, that sort of stuff until your body's at its limit (ie, your arms are too weak to push yourself up anymore.) You'll feel very energetic but will quickly feel drained afterwards, which is the perfect time to get some shut-eye before your body builds up more energy.

If you're lucky, you'll shift into a pattern. I almost always find myself doing this around 2 am, falling asleep by 3, and waking up around 8 (always spot-on, often just a few seconds before my alarm rings.) It helps a lot, but coffee in the morning is a must no matter what you do. ;)

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Original post by Sneftel Quote: Original post by LessBread We need a new acronym. We can modify "ianal" (I am not a lawyer) to become "ianamd" (I am not a medical doctor) - both of those should end with a "b" because they are always followed by the word "but". I propose "mamky" -- "My Advice May Kill You".

I like that one. Mamky but sticking your finger into an electrical outlet should solve the problem. [grin]

Try getting off the coffee, I did this recently and it worked wonders. Before I was having 2-4 strong cups a day and would have to take a nap in the middle of the day just to survive the rest of it. Went off the coffee and after about a week I was much better, no naps needed and generally just far more alert.

Also try and get into a habit of going to bed and getting up at the same time. Most days I get up at 8ish now and can go through the day to midnight fine. However if I get up much later (10ish) I just feel tired all day.

K, so ianamd but doesn't everyone know this...

Sleeping at the right time is incredibly important. Your body clock knows the time of day based on natural light levels – be you asleep or awake. It performs various important maintenance functions at specific times of day regardless of when you are active or asleep.

The reason people report more focus and energy late at night and early in the morning is for two reasons: Firstly, this is the time that the majority of these maintenance functions are taking place, your body is releasing a lot of stored energy to help the regeneration. Secondly, your brain wave frequency naturally reduces which creates a more focused and creative mindset.

So what's bad about that? For the first point, by being in that focused and awake state you are naturally using some of the energy reserves which would otherwise be used by your body during its maintenance time. Secondly your sleep time must have moved to a time of the day when your brain is naturally operating at a higher frequency, meaning you sleep more lightly.

The upshot is that you are making it very difficult for yourself to be anything other than drowsy and week. You are more open to illness and if you keep it up for long have increased chances of far more serious symptoms than just a headache.

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Secondly your sleep time must have moved to a time of the day when your brain is naturally operating at a higher frequency, meaning you sleep more lightly.

It's a matter of exercise.. it comes with years of practise :D
I sleep when I need it.. I tend to create more, and better creative and logical work at night.

If your shoulders are often sore you may need a new pillow. Other than that, I have type II diabetes and I get very similar symptoms if I eat too much sugar and carbs and not enough meat, veggies, fruit, and water.