Speed Seduction(Or: How to be a creep)

yeah it does.

2007 translation:

• pay attention to your date
  
• notice there tone, body language, and content of conversation
  
• make your conversation complements their own
  
• continue to present yourself in an easy and approachable manner
  
• be sure to verbally note their dress, hair, and/or smile
  
• after a few drinks, be gracious offer to walk her safely to her car
  
• in about an hour, you should be seeing breasts and hearing uncontrollable moaning

That'll be $25 for the first time visit. Thanks.

It works (I didn't say that it "Works^TM", only that it works).

The main problem with this is that these things always sound a lot more sillier when you're reading them out of a book, especially since they're often over-exaggerated to get the point across—you usually won't or shouldn't get that exaggerated after only a few minutes of fluff talk. However, in the right mood (such as saying something like this during a dinner in a restaurant by a beach) will make you appear as a very romantic person, and certainly not creepy.

Besides, the typesetting habits of these guys (in particular Ross Jeffries, if my memory serves right) are revulsing (all-caps, and so on). Also, there's the underlying "Women are manipulable but men aren't." macho rubbish about "chick logic" and the alpha male theory, which creates a "No, they aren't." reaction instead of teaching the actual "Both men and women are manipulable." ground truth of advertising and marketing.

The part which works best is about getting over shyness, and actually approaching women. If you're able to speak to women on an equal basis without being scared, and can whip up an interesting conversation easily, your chances are already that much higher.

Other parts, such as the elementary concepts of kinesthesia and social proof (or how to sleep on a girl's lap when you've known her for two hours), some of the "nice guy" issues (such as paying dinner or buying flowers before you're actually in a reasonably serious relationship), and the dismissal of the "women love jerks" assumption, are worth knowing about.

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Original post by ToohrVyk ...The part which works best is about getting over shyness, and actually approaching women. If you're able to speak to women on an equal basis without being scared, and can whip up an interesting conversation easily,...

I'm still working on that [sad]

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Original post by ToohrVyk It works (I didn't say that it "WorksTM", only that it works). The main problem with this is that these things always sound a lot more sillier when you're reading them out of a book, especially since they're often over-exaggerated to get the point across. Besides, the typesetting habits of these guys (in particular Ross Jeffries, if my memory serves right) are revulsing (all-caps, and so on). Also, there's the underlying "Women are manipulable but men aren't." macho rubbish about "chick logic" and the alpha male theory, which creates a "No, they aren't." reaction instead of teaching the actual "Both men and women are manipulable." ground truth of advertising and marketing. The part which works best is about getting over shyness, and actually approaching women. If you're able to speak to women on an equal basis without being scared, and can whip up an interesting conversation easily, your chances are already that much higher. Other parts, such as the elementary concepts of kinesthesia and social proof (or how to sleep on a girl's lap when you've known her for two hours), some of the "nice guy" issues (such as paying dinner or buying flowers before you're actually in a reasonably serious relationship), and the dismissal of the "women love jerks" assumption, are worth knowing about.

The ebook I got was from Ross Jeffries indeed... Now, I'm not looking into getting a new woman, but I'm very interested in the psychological part of it. It looks alot to me like neurolinguistic programming, another way to influence people's choice.

I've seen a guy manipulate 4 people into picking the same symbol and show it to him(while he wrote down beforehand which symbol they would pick), stick their hand to a window and told em it was glued to it. They couldn't remove their hand. Pretty freaky stuff.

As part of an experiment, I could try some of these things out on my girlfriend, getting her all hot and ready for some steamy bed action. So, anyone actually used these practices to get laid?

I really works even if you look like someone who is at home on GD?

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Original post by Toolmaker As part of an experiment, I could try some of these things out on my girlfriend, getting her all hot and ready for some steamy bed action. So, anyone actually used these practices to get laid?

I will not answer 'Yes' to that question on a public forum, sorry [wink]

Though you're right, it is indeed NLP.

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Original post by d000hg I really works even if you look like someone who is at home on GD?

Was that english?

One could get between a girl's thighs in as little as 2 minutes, it's just a matter of whether or not they will go to jail afterwards.

"Excuse me miss, does this rag smell like chloroform to you?"

I will say, a friend of mine tried the whole "subliminal message" thing with pointing to himself or to her whenever he said certain things, and he just got laughed at. Women aren't stupid.

I bet this guy has strict rules on what TIME he goes out to try to pickup women, too. Probably somewhere around 2AM, you know, when all the bars close.

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Original post by Alpha_ProgDes Quote: Original post by ToohrVyk ...The part which works best is about getting over shyness, and actually approaching women. If you're able to speak to women on an equal basis without being scared, and can whip up an interesting conversation easily,... I'm still working on that [sad]

It took me quite some time to get over my shyness. Things that really helped me was starting a business, so I was forced to speak with people. I also travel a lot by train, which regularly ended up in a mess. And when things turn up bad, people want to talk about that with their peers. So it was just general smalltalk about how crappy the situation.

I also changed my posture. It took me quite a lot of time, but I walk and stand like I should stand(slightly hollowed back, shoulders straight, etc.). This not only gives other people a better image of you, for me, it did increase my self-esteem a bit(no idea why).

If you're really insecure, go talk to older people in public places. Have some smalltalk about the weather, or perhaps where they're going, etc.

Sure, it takes a lot of effort, and time, but you can change yourself, overcome your shyness and get laid(Or just a nice girl who likes you for who you are).

Toolmaker

Are you supposed to shout those capitalized parts in your date's ear, or are they just there to annoy the reader?

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Original post by WanMaster Are you supposed to shout those capitalized parts in your date's ear, or are they just there to annoy the reader?

They're the Bourne Supremacy's version of emphasis.


We should have tags called [identity], [supremacy], and [ultimatium]

I once bought a book titled "The Science of Seduction Meets the Art of Hostage Negotiation", simply because it sounded awesome and interesting. The author(s) also live in Las Vegas, which is where I'm from, so I figured the information would be rather pertinent to where I live.

Turns out most the information in books like this one, you really already know. Listen to what a woman says (or at least enough so that it appears you're listening)? Pay attention to tone and body language? Try to make interesting conversation? Compliment her? Common now, who doesn't already know these basic things to some extent? The real problem like others have mentioned is getting over the shyness and building up the courage and self-confidence.

I find sometimes that reminding of people of things they already know is a kin to preventing this scenario. You study for a test all week. Cram the night before. Get the test, feel good about your answers. Walk away knowing you aced it. You get the test back and you got a 59.

Lesson? You didn't know the material as well as you thought you did. In fact, you may have overestimated yourself by an order of magnitude.

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Original post by ToohrVyk Other parts, such as the elementary concepts of kinesthesia and social proof (or how to sleep on a girl's lap when you've known her for two hours), some of the "nice guy" issues (such as paying dinner or buying flowers before you're actually in a reasonably serious relationship), and the dismissal of the "women love jerks" assumption, are worth knowing about.

Just picking up on that... buying flowers is pretty OTT without a serious relationship, but paying for dinner is expected and proper etiquette, for the person who did the inviting (regardless of the genders of people involved). If you want to avoid being a "nice guy", you should be asking her where she's taking you next time ;)

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Original post by WanMaster Are you supposed to shout those capitalized parts in your date's ear, or are they just there to annoy the reader?

Here's a quote from the the e-book in question:

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However, saying something like this can, has and almost certainly will work (notice the embedded commands, which I've capitalized and put in boldface!)

It's to illustrate the point that you're embedding commands in what you're saying - neuro-linguistic programming or some such. There's some stuff in there about the tonality you give those embedded commands, but obviously you don't shout them.

I'm still reading, but so far it's all been about how to influence people's thought patterns with what you say and how you say it. Which is all well and good, but doesn't really help if you're like me and have trouble striking up random conversations in the first place (sigh).

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Original post by Alpha_ProgDes I find sometimes that reminding of people of things they already know is a kin to preventing this scenario. You study for a test all week. Cram the night before. Get the test, feel good about your answers. Walk away knowing you aced it. You get the test back and you got a 59. Lesson? You didn't know the material as well as you thought you did. In fact, you may have overestimated yourself by an order of magnitude.

I don't really think it's a case of not knowing the material (to stick with the test analogy) but rather an issue of simple anxiety. You just get nervous and flop, even if you technically know everything you need to.

I'm betting you can sit most guys down in a non-stressful environment and ask them a bunch of questions on this subject they would already have most of the correct answers (more or less). But when the times comes for them to put that information to use they use they would just get nervous and forget everything on the spot. With more self-confidence this wouldn't be as big a problem.

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Original post by capn_midnight I bet this guy has strict rules on what TIME he goes out to try to pickup women, too. Probably somewhere around 2AM, you know, when all the bars close.

Yeah, pickup artists seem to need a social setting with alcohol to get anywhere, and the girl is most likely to dump them quickly when she realizes there's nothing more to the person.

Girls aren't dumb. You're not going to get far with gestures and pickup lines alone. If you have some sort of algorithm in mind when talking to someone, you're doing something wrong.

And in case anyone wants to watch socially inept people try this sort of stuff, watch The Pickup Artist on VH1. It'll show them get rejected all the time, until the producers pay a girl to go with a winner.

Here's the deal, if you're nervous about talking to girls, then you're meeting them in the wrong situations. The key to a lasting relationship is to build a friendship before broaching the subject of a romantic relationship. Here's something you probably haven't considered: maybe you don't even *want* to be with that girl. She could be the biggest bitch on the planet, and you're not going to know that from picking girls up in bars. You need to get to know a person before coming anywhere near asking them out.

For practical purposes, this means you need to be socializing with a lot of girls on a "friendship" basis much more than guys. If you're lamenting your lack of relationship, what the hell are you doing hanging out at the sausage factory anyway? I suggest dance lessons, or studying art. D&D? Probably a bad idea. Book clubs, better. If you're religious, how about Church. I mean, what the hell do you think it's there for? it's for "good boys" to meet "good girls".

Just be a friendly guy. Be clean, be reasonably concerned with good attire (not trendy fashion). Be well versed in art. Just be an all-around impressive guy (and your collection of OpenGL demos is not impressive).

You'll find that most of the girls you meet aren't single. You'll find that they don't stay that way very long. The failing comes when you attempt to single in on one girl before there is any hope of any kind of relationship. As I said, the only way to get around this failing, to know when a girl is ready for a relationship, and to know whether or not you are ready for a relationship with that girl, is to make friends with as many girls as possible, just like you do with guys.

Here's another big secret that I expect you also never considered: she's thinking about you in a sexual way, too. We can't help it, we all size each other up, it's a genetic imperitive. Don't hide the fact that you are single. Make yourself available for your single friends, don't hang out to much with your involved friends (it's for your own good, too. they will depress you. there are studies on it). If your still too nervous to ask a *friend* out to a movie, and to notice their *own* sexual tension, then I'm sorry, you're hopeless anyway.

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Original post by Andrew Russell ....Which is all well and good, but doesn't really help if you're like me and have trouble striking up random conversations in the first place (sigh).

You too huh... [sad]