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Original post by Oluseyi
Watchmen, the graphic novel, is incredibly dense, but all that detail doesn't add up to a compelling picture, in my opinion. Watchmen, the movie, makes a concerted effort to streamline without lobotomizing, which is admirable, but the outcome remains the same: meh.
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Original post by Oluseyi
This change I have no structural problem with, for while it vilifies Dr. Manhattan, it accomplishes the same ends - for all intends and purposes he is an alien and a greater threat than our differences,
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Original post by DigitallyPoor
People that never read the comic may feel some parts were rush/need further explanation
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Original post by MSW
No, for all intends and purposes Dr. Manhattan is god...which changes everything.
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Original post by DigitallyPoor
I think this is the most realistic representation on what happens in the world if costume superheroes indeed exist.
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...I think the movie faithfully adapted the comic version...
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Original post by borngamer
But, at least after reading this post I can walk in with a more balanced perspective. I think hype kills more movies and this one had some big hype.
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Original post by MSW
No, for all intends and purposes Dr. Manhattan is god...which changes everything.
Do you recall the discussion about whether Dr. Manhattan could stop all the missiles, were the USSR to launch all its nukes at once? Some "god".
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Original post by MSW
That was a dicussion between Veidt and Night Owl. Veidts plan worked by setting off all those SQUID energy bombs all over the world simultaneously. Effectively putting the fear of GOD into mankind. Creating god, just like creating giant squids...only god can't be destroyed, or ignored either.
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Original post by Demosthenes
I liked the nod at the 9/11 attacks and the subsequent Afghanistan and Iraq invasions: in the end, when they're rebuilding New York, you can see that the cranes at work belong to the Veidt corporation... Ozymandias may have had other motives, but he used the attacks for personal gain.
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Original post by Oluseyi
That said, it's an unsustainable peace, not the "lasting peace" Ozymandias seems to think he's created - and all agree with him on. How long before someone realizes that you can't kill Dr. Manhattan, so you might as well go on with your own fighting since that's the only one you can hurt - a fellow human? Plus, Dr. Manhattan's actions were cast as supposed retribution for his (self-imposed, I might add) exile to Mars, not as any sort of commentary on our proximity to total destruction. In the book the alien is biological, so humanity is provided with a common enemy that can be defeated given the right weapons. That provides a motivation for continued cooperation between the nations.
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Original post by Oluseyi
I disagree, primarily because none of them were superheroes
Quote:Nope. Just regular people who work out, dress up, and go "adventuring", which inevitably has its own sexual and pathological connotations. Really, that core idea could be the theme for a porno, but instead it's a comic book and a movie. *shrug*
Original post by Mr Explody
Really? I don't remember any part of the movie that suggested they weren't. It may have been stated in the book, but it wasn't obvious in the movie. I think the films intention was to portray them as Super Heroes, a cut above the rest.
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How does Rorschach make his mask move if he has no special power? Or am I taking it too literally and only Rorschach beleives it to move?
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Original post by MSW
That was a dicussion between Veidt and Night Owl. Veidts plan worked by setting off all those SQUID energy bombs all over the world simultaneously. Effectively putting the fear of GOD into mankind. Creating god, just like creating giant squids...only god can't be destroyed, or ignored either.
I can't quite decide if you're arguing that Dr. Manhattan has power equivalent to "god," or that the people view him with the reverence and fear they would practically give to "god"... or if there's a difference.
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It's actually an unsustainable peace in both circumstances. Unless Veidt planned to continually create new alien lifeforms and spawn them all over the planet (which he can't easily do since he killed off everyone working on the project), there isn't a lasting enemy. Sure the USA and USSR will work together under the threat of this new, unknown, and (seemingly) mortal enemy at least in the short term, but how many years go by without incident before they go back to their old ways? And of course it's the same deal will Dr. Manhattan, since once he leaves the galaxy, queue X years of peace before the superpowers start going after each other again.
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