On 6/23/2017 at 11:55 AM, Scouting Ninja said:
This is the standard everywhere, whether your working with computers or not.
It's gotten to the point where even a person with a stable job can be laid off at a moments notice. It's not even unheard of people loosing there stable jobs right before a holidays.
It's not surprising to see familiar faces in new unexpected places.
This is why you NEED to freelance. I work from contract to contract, often with 2-4 months in between. If employees see that gap the chances of you getting a new contract goes down the drain.
Freelance jobs are mostly once off things, you can do lots of them in a short period, keeping your CV stocked with numbers your new employer can call.
Just remember that while you are freelancing to use an alias, that way a single freelance job won't kill your career.
Also use an alias when doing a very low paying job, employers seam to think the money you get payed reflects your skill; even if it was a freelance job you did to help a struggling indie developer.
Sorry for the slow response, I appreciate your advice. I will be honest though, I haven't worked in every profession, but none of them come close to the sheer volatility of the tech industry in my experience. Job security is only a word, yes. That's nearly every industry/profession.
And about freelancing, since you are the Nth person to strongly recommend this, I am going to just go ahead and do it. Previously, I was discouraged from doing so because I was told that you would be competing with people from other countries like India who are wiling to work for much less. So I signed up for upwork.com and hoping that I will get approved within the next day or two because I already see a few gigs that I want to take my chances on.
To be frank, I don't know what I should charge. Since I'm used to being paid $45-50ish/hr, I set my rate at $30. Should I set it lower? I don't claim to be the best developer in the world, but I'm not entry level either.
And back to the competition thing, even with all the senior level devs out there, it seems that it would be hard to get a position, especially with 50 devs all applying for that one opening. The odds are against me, but not trying is the cowards way out. I'd rather try and fail than not try at all.
Alias? As in a different username or a different legal name? Just want to be clear on that.
On 6/23/2017 at 1:48 PM, ferrous said:
Perhaps you should try Nursing? It's a moderately lucrative career that doesn't require a large amount of education, that is unlikely to be replaced entirely with automation, and with the worlds aging population, will be in high demand.
EDIT: or the military, they've talked about waiving all sorts of physical requirements to get more people with programming skills.
My brother is in that field. Although I never liked jobs interacting with people, I'll consider it.
Millitary programmer? Sounds interesting. Imagine having that on a resume...
On 6/23/2017 at 6:08 PM, Tom Sloper said:
Well, you're not leaving the game industry (you're leaving IT/tech). If you're looking for stability and good pay as your primary considerations, all I can say is "not the game industry either." This forum (and this whole website) is really about the game industry, so I don't know what to tell you.
That's fair enough sir, I guess.
11 hours ago, szecs said:
I'm a mechanical engineer and it pays quite well. Having programming experience as a mechanical engineer also gives you a huge advantage over other mechanical engineers.
Programming in my job (which is about only 5-10% of my work hours) meant bonuses and pay-rises without asking, and it also satisfy my programming desires quite well.
I don't know about other countries, but mechanical engineering is a quite stable job too. There are people at the company where I work who has been working there since 20 years now. I have been working there for 5 years now and I don't see they'd lay me off. It's more likely that I will "look for other challenges".
5-6 years of collage, and I don't think you'd need to go to the best universities. Sure, you won't be a rock star designer with Ferraris if you are after that stuff.
Well, I'm not sure about how much they pay here, but I'm sure it's decent. Glad it works for you. My assumption is that it pays well in Hungary though. Although I've fantasized about moving to your nation several times, I don't believe that I can just get up and head for Magyarország that easily.
I'm sure a mechanical engineer at a company such as Boeing would make a killing. Sadly, my career there was very short lived.
7 hours ago, ChaosEngine said:
How old are you? I ask because it's relevant in terms of how long you expect to continue working.
For example, if you were in your 50s, I wouldn't recommend going back and retraining (you'll spend a significant proportion of your remaining working life not earning).
On the other hand, if I was in my 20s, one of my primary motivating factors in choosing a career would be "how likely is this job to be automated?"
Another option might be to change location instead of careers? I've worked in software development for nearly 20 years now (christ that makes me feel old) and I've never encountered any of the scenarios you describe, despite working in a bunch of industries/roles. But then, I've never worked in the US.
Finally, what do you enjoy and what are you good at? There's no point in any of us recommending going into finance/veterinary/construction if you suck at numbers/hate animals/don't like manual labour.
Very sound advice.
I am in my early 30s now. I have 7 years of relevant experience, and never have I had this much trouble finding jobs.
So far, I've had some people say that my location is likely my issue. There are those that say, "you live HERE and you can't find a job?", and they are mostly peeps that don't work in the tech industry. Getting a job is never magic. 
If necessary, maybe I will leave here and go somewhere else. I'm told that there are some places so desperate for programmers that they won't even bother whiteboarding them. Here, there appears to be a surplus, so they can pick and choose who/whatever they want without giving your situation a second thought. It's also very cut throat and competitive. I really don't want to leave here, especially since other areas are either more expensive or not favourable climate wise.
I enjoy coding more than anything. Writing is a second, but I'm not Stephen King to be frank. So sticking with what I'm good at may be my best option for the time being. I can accept that.
Shogun
EDIT: My other comp is pissing me off, so I had to half finish that last response, then come back to it. Just in case you were wondering.
