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OUR future as programmers

Started by Metal Typhoon Jun 9, 2002 at 8:11 PM 45 replies 1.3k views

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Jun 9, 2002 at 8:11 PM

i''ve notice one thing and i think some of you might have done the same. i WAS like WTF this is with shit? it seems like alot of people want to be a pogrammer ? is it cuz it pays alot ? or is it cuz it''s your LOVE ?? look close and think just on this page there are thousands of programmers. i fear my future because i love what i''m doing i don''t do it for money. I fell threated by intruders that only wants to take my love away. This programming thingy is growing and people are going crazy for money. seriously HOW THINKS half of the people on this site will make as a programmer ?? i''ll ask something but u need to be sincere. HOW many do it cuz it''s well payed ? i''m *100000000000000000000% cuz of love* i would be glad to work at microsoft without receiving a penny. i don''t care i''ll just make money income somewhere else but i stil programming. now your turn ...

Metal Typhoon

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Metal Typhoon

Jun 9, 2002 at 8:22 PM

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Original post by Anonymous Poster
Don''t be scared. The men will be separated from the boys when they try to get an actual programming job. All the money in the world ain''t enough if your not happy doing what you love and the people who are just in it for the bux soon get out.

OMG you just made me fell AWSOMELY "don''t even know if this word exists" GREAT

i''m so happy that i punched my cat

BaShildy

Jun 9, 2002 at 8:32 PM

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Original post by Metal Typhoon
i''m so happy that i punched my cat

Boy I hope you didn''t punch this cat.

- Kevin "BaShildy" King
Game Programmer: DigiPen
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SnprBoB86

Jun 9, 2002 at 8:37 PM

lol

...nuff said

fallenang3l

Jun 9, 2002 at 8:47 PM

I think someone needs some KY jelly.

Cold_Steel

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Cold_Steel

Jun 9, 2002 at 8:55 PM

Yeah, I noticed that most of the peoplewho want to be computer scientists/programmers because of the money usually, A. Suck at programming/math/basic computer skills, or B. Don''t actually know what computer science/programmig involves.

Personally, I picked computer science because I love computers/math/problem solving, but I also chose the field because of the money. There are some other fields I could have also chosen, but computer science provides the most, that and i want to make games

Really though, if I''m choosing a profession that I might have for the rest of my life, and I''m spending 4+ years of college studying it, it helps to have the potential for a good salary and good job prospects.

I suspect though, that most of the people who call themselves programmers are really just hackers.

Big B

Jun 9, 2002 at 10:14 PM

When ever I told people that I was in Computer Science, (this was before the tech wreck) people said "Your going to make a lot of money!" or "You will get a good job" and it offended me a bit. It was like I was only in it for the money.

If you have a genuine interest in programming and in technology, then you will undoubted go further in your career than those who are only in it for the money. Although you might want to work on your grammar first.

University is a fountain of knowledge, and students go there to drink.

Waverider

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Waverider

Jun 9, 2002 at 10:19 PM

I've been in the field for 7 years. I loved college because I had plans for what I was learning (making games!). The business I work at doesn't make games, they just do business programming. It's more just form development, interfacing with databases and communication across various protocols (RF, serial ports, etc.)

I've been a programmer, designer, tester, analyst, document writer. Everything but the sales guy, for the most part. I honestly don't know if I would have been happy just being a coder. But I've never known having work provided to me in such a complete manner to be able to code it without haivng to correct what was handed to me, either.

It's not what you think it's like out there... but I don't know how accurate that claim is since I've been at the same place this long.

I'm ready for the next thing, and I'm STILL trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up

[edited by - Waverider on June 9, 2002 11:20:48 PM]

VisualB4BigD

Jun 9, 2002 at 10:44 PM

I also love to make games, and I''m excellent at math. But my big thing is something that is usually an unwanted job. I want to make game tools for the big boys. I just love to make tools. I''ll make a whole suite for a non-existant game just because I love to do that. I''m weird I guess.

Horny Farmer (Jolly Rancher)

Metal Typhoon

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Metal Typhoon

Jun 9, 2002 at 10:50 PM

quote:
Original post by Big B
Although you might want to work on your grammar first.

University is a fountain of knowledge, and students go there to drink.

lol don''t worry about that. i''m a b student in ENGLISH.. but i''m not native american that''s why. Sine you understood what i wanted to say

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I think it''s very offensive when someone just chooses certain carrer just because of the money.

One thing that i noticed was that some people on this site "a LARGE amount" ask question without even trying to solve it on their own. I think that these are the "boys" that will stay behind when life as programmers begin. Not that you cannot question but sometimes it''s off the limits

Scheermesje

Jun 10, 2002 at 1:40 AM

Before I started with programming I didn''t now how much money you can make with it. Then I saw the article on gamasutra...

I love programming and I want to do it as a job and the money you earn with it.. it''s nice but not the most important

Xanth

Jun 10, 2002 at 1:47 AM

I was under the impression the Programmers in general didn''t really make that much...

BTW could someone link me to the GamaSutra article that was mentioned?

"I thought Genius lived in bottles..." - Patrick Star

Scott Bruno

Jun 10, 2002 at 1:53 AM

The money in the game industry, well, sucks. That is, it sucks until you get to be a senior programmer or you work at a company that starts bringing in ridiculous cash and they dump it into salaries to keep from getting taxed to death (id).

But until one of those two things happens, you will be making less than the average corporate joe who does far less exciting, interesting, and demanding work, and works one third as many hours.

So basically if you''re going to jump into this industry then you''d better love it. Otherwise you''re not gonna'' like it very much.

iNsAn1tY

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iNsAn1tY

Jun 10, 2002 at 7:48 AM

I also want to go into the computing industry because I love making games. However, I don''t think we have to be too worried about people who are just in it for the money.

These people will never be able to put in the kind of time and effort that those who are genuinely devoted to their work can, because they don''t care about it enough.

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Luctus

Jun 10, 2002 at 7:49 AM

I personally think there are three kind of people here on gamedev.

First there are those that can sit three nights and two days with nothing but a c++ compiler and 100 cans of jolt and think that it''s the best thing that is (that''s me ;-) )

Then we got those that think "Game programming, sure It''s a job", doing it for the money that is. As said before, I don''t think either that they will stay long in the industry( read the above posts for why)

Lastly, there''s the category that I personally HATE. Those kidz that spends 23h/day with quake3 then get''s so high on coke that they get the idea "hey, I want to make quake5½" and get their ass over here and want to know how to do it, but don''t want to learn program, just tell someone what they want and expect to get it.

Sorry, I might sound harsh, but I really don''t like that :-p

-Luctus

JesterX

Jun 10, 2002 at 11:52 AM

... My god! i wish i could get some Jolt in Montreal, Canada. There as been a while since i drink my last can i can''t seem to find more anywhere ... So i converted myself to coffee... but that''s not the same feeling.

Scheermesje

Jun 10, 2002 at 12:07 PM

Luctus you''re completely right

I hate that 3th category.. Someone send me a message with icq and he wanted me to send him all the things I made and explain him how they worked and then I needed to help him on making his own game.. And he hated math...

Or someone else, he asks me how to install a new game he bought and then he says that within one year he will make a game that''s even better then that..

I hate that kind of people. :D

Extrarius

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Extrarius

Jun 10, 2002 at 12:20 PM

You don''t want jolt, you want Bawls. Its much, much better. Nice taste, plenty of caffiene, but it doesnt make you jumpy. Its a fast rush too, you can feel it right after you take your first sip =-)

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three_sixteen

Jun 10, 2002 at 12:27 PM

When I think about all of that I think about this.
When cars were new, everyone wanted to make cars.
When TVs were new, everyone knew how to fix them.
When VCRs came out everyone wanted to install them for you.
When Nintendo came out, everyone wanted to make games for it.

Game programming is the same way, everyone wants to do it now because its fairly new. Give it some time and only the dedicated few will stick it through Innovative design and new ideas will be what seperates the people who do it for love, and the people who do it for money. Creativity is your edge against the people who just want to do it for money.

Persevere and stay creative and you''ll beat the ''noobs''.

Teric

Jun 10, 2002 at 12:29 PM

So then what about the 4th category of people--those of us who love to program, have programmed most of their lives, and dream about getting into the game industry? Those of us who got the ''business job'' right out of college because no game companies even responded, who have worked in this business job for years but use any free time at work to program games? Those of us who would probably take a $20,000+ pay cut to get into some crummy entry-level position in the gaming industry?

*Raises his hand emphatically* That''s me.

Regarding the 3rd category above: I don''t necessarily hate them, but I look at their notes and requests and think to myself: "Why would I waste MY time when they obviously spent none of THEIR time on this?"

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