Assembly programmer needed

I don''t know... I feel overwhelmed with to much information...

-UltimaX-
Ariel Productions

"You wished for a white christmas... Now go shovel your wishes!"

don''t do it! haven''t you ever seen the terminator movies?!?!

what is it about ?

what is the "sentient.machines project?"

[edited by - DevLiquidKnight on February 27, 2004 1:12:23 PM]

Assembly programming... Do people still do that, outside of 64k demos and consoles?

Is there a website with more info?

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you''re an idiot

If I was working on a sentient machine, I dont think I would be writing it in assembly unless I wanted my head to explode.

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Original post by Sagar_Indurkhya
Assembly is the fastest language - " By definition"

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maybe if the person who wrote it is truly excellent at it... but most people aren''t it also takes much longer (in development time) than using a high-level language (you also must rewrite it for each processor/platform).

BASIC has its place in the world.

insulting and threatening people will not get anyone to help you on your project, by the way... who wants to work with a psychopath who can''t see past his own limited views?

Do people still write assembler? Yes. But not usually for a complete program.

Modern compilers (even in BASIC) produce the grunt work which an employed assembler programmer should not be expected to write.

Would a good assembler programmer work with or for someone who abuses other posters on his thread? No.



Stevie

Don''t follow me, I''m lost.

Hmm, are you sure that Sagar, or whatever his name is, is related to the project in question at all?

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Original post by Sagar_Indurkhya
You are the stupidest person I have ever heard from.
You don''t deserve to live in the gutters of the blood
covered Somalia...

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Kid, I was programming in assembler before you probably could even reach the computer''s keyboard, so don''t cop that kind of attitude with me. I speak fluent x86, and know a little 6502 and 68000k from my Apple days. I''ve wrangled with memory-mapped graphics RAM, port masking and DMA channel timings in order to create my own fast graphics and sound libraries.

And funnily enough, I used to be a BASIC programmer, so many years ago I''ve lost count. Have you ever written relocatable machine language function and then stuff the opcodes into a string in BASIC and used FN ADR(SA$) to call it? So you can squeeze just a bit more speed out of that slow language? I severely doubt it, so don''t give me any of this "U MUST LIEK BASIC LOLOLLL!!!1" stuff.

With that said, I haven''t written a hand-optimized assembler routine for my games in -- ages. Does my knowledge of assembly code come in handy still? Sure it does, especially when debugging. But you are simply a moron if you think that folks willingly sit down and write modern PC games from scratch in pure assembler. (Outside of old-skool demo compos, of course.)

Your talking as if you plan to write this entire game, whatever, in pure assembler. Last program I used that was written in "pure assembler" was this little Norton Commander clone for DOS. Sure, it was only a 12k EXE file and was blazingly fast, but I sure as hell wouldn''t have wanted to touch the source.

I was actually interested in offering help; My assembly is rusty and I''d love for an excuse to brush off those skills once again. But, well, nevermind.

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Slackey is officially declaring that
Sagar''s older brother is an idiot, and
that the real Sagar''s name shouldn''t
be spoiled for him...

Maybe FenirWolf could change his mind??? - Please???

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Original post by Sagar_Indurkhya

You are the stupidest person I have ever heard from.
You don't deserve to live in the gutters of the blood
covered Somalia...
Assembly is the fastest language - " By definition"
Sentient.Machines uses the biggest equations, and most
crazy, optimized code possible. People like you make me
mad. Real mad. IF I EVER MEET YOU, I'LL CRTL+ALT+DELETE YOU!!!

- Sagar Indurkhya

What a stupid person. Maybe you're one of those losers at
school, who thinks everything can be done in BASIC. Well
I have got news for you. Basically, people who like basic
are going to be finished off the face of the earth, and
never be seen again. Because of you, and all those stupid,
dumb programmer's just like you, my BLOOD IS BOILING LIKE
CRAZY, and I am really wondering about the state of the
programming community...

(!!!)

( big angry face, in case you are too stupid to see that,
like basic people...)!!!

*46543645&^(*&^(*&%(&^%&^%*&%#%^$#$%^&^@#%^$%^#@$#%GDSUYHG
is how you make me feel...

- Basic... W_T_F!!!

Sagar Indurkhya

[edited by - Sagar_Indurkhya on February 27, 2004 7:41:25 PM]

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Man, I hope that's a joke...
Assembly isn't the fastest language by definition.
It's the lowest-level language (apart from actual machine code) by definition, and nothign else.
Sure, if you can write perfectly optimized asm, it's fast, but it's pretty easy to write slow asm as well.

And I can't see why it should be impossible to do everything in Basic. Might not be easy, but why would it be impossible?

[edited by - Spoonster on February 28, 2004 5:52:03 PM]

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BUT, I didn''t say that. I told
my older brother to look for
assembly programmer. He used my
name, because he didn''t feel like
making up another username, at
gamedev network.

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Ugh. I''ve heard that one before...

Maybe it was my evil twin who posted and said he knew assembler.

Give us more info; A website, some concept art, even a straight up, boring .PDF file with your specs in it, and I, er, my evil twin, might consider.

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Up near the top someone said people dont generally use aseembly to write full programs, and i just thought id brag to everyone about my 1337 freidn who is a massochist and writes tons of WINDOWS apps in assembly, no HLA either.... ok yeah im done... lol, oh and btw, sagar... that was kinda a hitler esque (did i spell that right?) post... it kinda scared me...

You know, its a coincidence that whenever posts like this happens, they nearly always blame it on a brother or friend or something similar, even though the writing style is exactly the same etc.

Also for your information, the area where you type your post, the text wraps, so you don''t have to press Enter all the time. It makes reading your post really annoying.

Eh, even if it was him:
"If humans were perfect we wouldnt need second chances."
-Me :-D


meh, so its a crappy quote and no ones gonna remember it, yah get my point tho right?

Noone even mentioned BASIC...

Anyway, assembly isn''t any faster than C/C++ - C/C++ gets turned into asm by the compiler. If you write anything in assembly, it''ll take at least 10 times as long as in C/C++

What exactly is needing done in assembly? The only part of Quake I thats in assembly is the graphics rasterization code, everything else is in C. And i believe that in Quake II there isn''t any assembly. As far as i know, the last game to make use of assembly for anything non trivial was Quake I - and that was in 1992 - 12 years ago...