[web] Replacement for Dreamweaver?

I assume the mighty Notepad is insufficient? [wink] I only ever use Notepad for my HTML. Complete control...

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Original post by Evil Steve I assume the mighty Notepad is insufficient? [wink] I only ever use Notepad for my HTML. Complete control...

Same here. I looove notepad.

FrontPage, maybe?

I use FrontPage.


No, seriously, I do. I love being able to save files straight to a webserver nice and quickly. As long as you avoid the WYSIWYG bit, it's all good.

Frontpage == teh devil.

This page uses many style sheets and other things I don't know much about. I didn't design the page so much of it uses things that I don't really understand too well. It was also made on a Mac and the formatting is screwy in Notepad (I already tried).

To put it one way I edited a file in Frontpage and reuped to the sever and it displayed differently all of a sudden, even though I only changed the text and not the formatting.

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The irony: illegal users have no problem using this software right away, people trying to do things legally have to wait THREE HOURS. Sorry Macromedia, you have things a little backwards over there, I thought customers were supposed to get perks and pirates were supposed to have a hard time using your software, I guess I was wrong.

It's only funny becuse it's so true! Sorry to hear that Griffenjam, you may want to look at this page and see if there is anything of use for you there.

This might not count, but WOW. MSDev has a nice HTML editor built-in... My poor laptop gets hot running Dreamweaver.

I dunno how hard-core MSDev's HTML editor is, though. I use it for editing simple pages.

Bluefish, unless you're on windows. If so, you'll have to wait for me to write an uber web developer environment, which will arrive when I have lots of time to work on one.

The annoying thing about MS's webdev is that they don't have support for PHP.

PSPad
multi highlighter
save to ftp
spell check
html tidy

I absolutely love HTML-Kit. You might also want to try NVU. Bluefish is okay for Linux, but you'd better get the CVS version because the 1.0 version has some issues with remote files through gnome_vfs.

I've heard that Nvu is aiming to be an open-source Dreamweaver. Myself, I've got Dreamweaver and FrontPage, but I use FrontPage for almost everything because it runs about ten times as fast.

I've had a hard time to get Nvu to even run on my linux box

I vote for the text editor route. jEdit is an awesome text editor with syntax highlighting and automatic validation, and I'm sure there are a few others out there.

Might also try Mozilla. It seems to produce some clean HTML (with proper configuration) and it's obviously open source.

vim? EMACS? :D

I would honestly suggest getting a quality text editor, and coding stuff by hand. In my (limited) experience it helps you learn what you are doing better, and it reduces the shear amount of crap found in the script code. It also gives you *way* more power over how your page looks. WYSIWYG editors are good for getting mediocre to poor quality pages out fast, but they are no replacement for hand designing and tweaking, IMO.

Text Editors like vim, EMACS, jEdit, Jext, j, pyWord, PHPEdit, EditPlus, Crimson Editor, and Bluefish, just to name a VERY few, may be good choices (depending on what you are doing, and what you like).

There are a crap load of quality text editors out there, all with similar, but quite different features. It's up to you to find the right one!

Fwiw, I tend to use a combination of Namo WebEditor 5.5 (commercial, but not too pricy) or VIM depending on what I am doing.

Two text editors not on that list that often get recommeneded:

Ultraedit, and Context.

Some good resources:

(just found this one...) http://www.tinyapps.org/text.html

http://www.thefreecountry.com/programming/editors.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text_editors



and if you're interested in more of the behind the scenes stuff:

http://www.finseth.com/craft/
http://www.softpanorama.org/Editors/index.shtml
http://www.users.qwest.net/~eballen1/perfect.editor.html

and I'm sure there are others,

Well after reading you blog thing, I get the impression your not a HTML wiz, and like using the WYSIWYG interface (like me!).

I've tried them all at some point and I keep going back to dreamweaver. It just works, its easy, I can click insert script insert table and go home, and not have to think about it ever again.

My experience with Macromedia is different though, when I had to transfer serial #'s I called them, and they asked for my CD code and gave new a number on phone 10 minutes max later.

good luck

I used Coffee Cup HTML Editor for a while. It was really good stuff, I still think Dreamweaver is better but Coffee Cup comes close.

Also there is an editor called SiteSpinner, it might be a bit basic. Haven't tested it much, but it has some solid reviews.

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Original post by Justaddwater Well after reading you blog thing, I get the impression your not a HTML wiz, and like using the WYSIWYG interface (like me!).

Actually I'm not bad at HTML, it's just this this site was done in Dreamweaver and has a bit of CSS (which I've never used).


Thanks for all the reccomendations, I'll check some out.