I apologize really.

I set out, clearly explaining, how you can use Emacs easily. I showed the steps, one by one, how to setup your system, how to setup a search engine (I did not explain how to setup a swish engine and do cross referencing searches though).

All I seem to get is negative feedback or what appears (to me) to be juvenile antagonism. I might be reading it the wrong way too.

It's not that hard, at all, to setup emacs and use it. Yes, Dynamic Scoping Lisps *can be* a real pain in the ass, but you *can* fix it too. Whatever Emacs is doing, you can undo it, because Emacs is just a program that is defined in it's own language. Emacs isn't an editor. It's a complete programming system that *can be used* as an editor, and a good one too.

Emacs probably just doesn't work in the typical gamedev type of community or for beginners. It's a hard program really, but it runs circles around visual studio once you got it setup. I was trying to explain how to do this clearly and than got pissed off. You have quite alot of power in Vi too, if you know the toolsets and the keys. I like both editors quite alot, but I really like Emacs.

Again sorry, I lost my patience with this. I find that once you tame Emacs it is not hard at all to use productively and I think it is light years ahead of Visual Studio. Visual Studio is just a single Emacs mode...

I appreciate your effort to help others here. I didn't mean to flame it. I was just expressing by distaste for EMACS to anyone who may be thinking of learning it.

ace

Please post your original post...
I wanted to use that information you had in your original first post...

Where was this flaming you spoke of?
Every remark I saw was rather opinionated... Which is okay, it wan't a flame or a bias...

Yeah... I'm confused more than anything.

Quote: It narked me off proper that we spent hours learning about command line compiling when these days it shouldn't be about that.

You should know the various options you have for generating and linking code modules. Also, IDEs make your build system non-portable, even across IDEs on the same platform. Makefiles are nearly universal. (I know most IDEs allow you to export makefiles, but auto-generated makefiles tend to still be platform-specific and messy.)

Quote: I find that once you tame Emacs it is not hard at all to use productively and I think it is light years ahead of Visual Studio. Visual Studio is just a single Emacs mode...

This is true. There are a lot of editors with modern GUI interfaces that I like (VS isn't one of them), but the inability to customize them really reduces their usefulness.

Quote: Original post by igni ferroque

Quote: I find that once you tame Emacs it is not hard at all to use productively and I think it is light years ahead of Visual Studio. Visual Studio is just a single Emacs mode...

This is true. There are a lot of editors with modern GUI interfaces that I like (VS isn't one of them), but the inability to customize them really reduces their usefulness.

So true...

For people used to things like Visual Studio, Delphi, Eclipse and other IDEs, Emacs can seem awkward, primitive, not powerful, hard to learn, etc. But the one thing to remember about Emacs is that its core is a small Emacs Lisp interpreter and the rest of the editor is written in Emacs Lisp. And you can use that language to change the editor any way you like.

You can add macros to input text faster, but you can also write complex functions which can parse your compiler's error messages and bring you to the correct faulty lines. Powerful stuff.

I'd like to see examples of some of this power at use...
The first post contained some nice starter information...

This does seem to be a neglected IDE which apparently has potential.

Any links recommended?

Halsafar: http://www.emacswiki.org is a good place to go. Friendly people there.

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