Is game development possible without being able to program?

how badly do you want it. If you want it badly, you'll do whatever it takes to get it.

OH NOES HE SAID MMO!!!! EVERYONE FLAME HIM!!!

Anyways, I'm pretty sure the only requirement to game development is, hmm, playing video games?

Just my opinion though.

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Original post by G-Irregular how badly do you want it. If you want it badly, you'll do whatever it takes to get it.

Well...I really want to do, except that I am not able to understand programming and working with 3d (It's part of a disability that I have, very hard for me to explain it).



Xetheriel- what's so bad about MMO as a generic term? Only requirement to game development in playing games? That makes no sense to me

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Original post by Xetheriel Anyways, I'm pretty sure the only requirement to game development is, hmm, playing video games?

Hmm? You mean, like 'The only requirement to become a forest ranger is, hmm, eating deer'.

I think that behind are the times when the programmers were the only people developing games. I think that there is place in game industry for a person who isn't familiar with programming.

- A person who isn't familiar with programming may have plenty of useful ideas or is able to conduct research for modellers or do level design.

- I know several of people in the game industry who have master's degree in a totally different field than computers or anything related.

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Original post by hawk2k3 Well...I really want to do, except that I am not able to understand programming and working with 3d (It's part of a disability that I have, very hard for me to explain it).

Hmm, it is a disability of sight or hand? Or a mental thing? Anyway, as long as you can type, you can learn to program, I think. There are more people with handicap here working away on their games than you might imagine.
Even if you don't want to get into coding/3D, you can design games, producing design docs and ideas and stuff, and then go find a team in the help wanted forum.

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Xetheriel- what;s so bad about MMO as a generic term?

The bad thing about MMO is that it is Massive Multiplayer, which requires a bootload of coding, rather deep network knowledge, and Massive content.
So many newbies posted 'Hi I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'm gonna make a baddass MMORPG, need team', that many have developed kinda allergic reactions when someone talks 'MMORPG'. Nothing personal. [smile]

You want to create game without programming?
Yes, it is posible, by using program below:

3D Gamemaker
FPS Creator

But they are limited.

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Original post by Konfusius Quote: Original post by hawk2k3 Well...I really want to do, except that I am not able to understand programming and working with 3d (It's part of a disability that I have, very hard for me to explain it). Hmm, it is a disability of sight or hand? Or a mental thing? Anyway, as long as you can type, you can learn to program, I think. There are more people with handicap here working away on their games than you might imagine. Even if you don't want to get into coding/3D, you can design games, producing design docs and ideas and stuff, and then go find a team in the help wanted forum. Quote: Xetheriel- what's so bad about MMO as a generic term? The bad thing about MMO is that it is Massive Multiplayer, which requires a bootload of coding, rather deep network knowledge, and Massive content. So many newbies posted 'Hi I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'm gonna make a baddass MMORPG, need team', that many have developed kinda allergic reactions when someone talks 'MMORPG'. Nothing personal. [smile]

First off it's a mental disability ( for example I have a good understandinf of computers in which I can install hardware[and obviously software] know the parts and read about them, but as soon as I try to go as far a programming my brain 'fails to compute'), second of all...I was just using the MMO as an example. I've read about what some of the projects are pretty bad starter project(which i believe MMO is #1), but what I have planned in just something I'd like to get to one day be it a year after the first game is made or 5 years and a few games, no harm in planning for the future right?

Hey,

Im starting a MMO, and yes were going fine (core of engine being constructed)

I had no idea what programming involved, i had a very small amount of knowlage in 3D, all you need to do i download truespace 3.2 (google it) and mess around, use tutorials, its easy.

Then come here and either join a team as a designer, or ask for people to join, i recommend you have a complete design document typed up to show people.

OFF TOPIC
if you want, i will post some concept art, and renders here to show how were getting on.

Good Luck!

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Original post by invisal You want to create game without programming? Yes, it is posible, by using program below: 3D Gamemaker FPS Creator But they are limited.

and probably require programming abilities too... its still programming m8, just simplified

Either way, to the OP

I was just being sarcastic about the MMO bit, that is what seems to happen when people post things about MMO's in general around here :).

Not that it is the way I feel :).

Do you have innovative ideas? Are you articulate in your native tongue and can you convey your ideas to others? Do you know how to prepare design docs and are you punctual enough to deliver on schedule?

Not everyone is a programmer, nor should you aspire to be one if you don't want to. There are plenty of other areas in game development where programming skills are not necessary and would probably impede on one's performance (e.g. a manager consuming himself with minor details and failing to grasp a larger view of the project).

Well, as most people in this thread has already said, there's a difference between looking at code and saying "I don't understand this", and having an actual disability of any kind.
I don't know your situation, but I don't think I've ever heard of any "can't learn programming" disability. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but it might just be that you think it looks complicated, and have then *decided* that you can't learn it.

In any case, there are plenty of non-programmers working in game development. Artists, modellers, animators, sound people, game designers, testers, or even the more business-oriented positions like producers/managers.
However, don't expect to be able to get a job as just a game designer. Those are usually picked in-house, and definitely not taken from random people with no experience.

But if you're skilled in one of these areas, you'll be able to do as much game development as a programmer.

As much as I want everyone to be a programmer, I am going to have to lay down the strong arm of compassion here.

Give the kid a break, he obviously tried programming and that is more than a lot of people will ever do.

Programming is hard and some people just don't have the state of mind to do it (either because of a disability or brain wiring). My mom will never be a programmer, my boss will never be a programmer, my dog will never be a programmer. If it's not something he's cut out for, let him be.

OP, if you can't program, your task is a lot harder. If you can't program or draw (even 2d not just 3d), your task is a hell of a lot harder. Your writing and team management skills better be top-notch or you are going to have a hard time creating a functional video game out of your idea.

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Original post by Xetheriel Either way, to the OP I was just being sarcastic about the MMO bit, that is what seems to happen when people post things about MMO's in general around here :). Not that it is the way I feel :).

What about beeing constructive before beeing sarcastic, especially since your visible adventure on gdnet is only a couple of hours long? Read this fundamental post again about how to behave on this forum.

@OP:
Game development is not just about programming - it is about a lot of different subject: producing, creating art and programming. If you don't like programming, you can try art (writing, music, 2D art, 3D art, texture). Writing and game design are especially hard, because what you write/design have to be connected with what can be done - even if you don't program, you have to have a good understanding of what is possible and what is not. The MMO where anything can happen can't exist.

Game production is a high level field. It requires a good understanding of the game business and solid management skills. You won't be a game producer by just saying you are.

In fact, as a beginner, your solution are more or less: do art, or program.

Now, you are lucky, because programming is not that hard? You said you tried? What did you try? There are plenty of simple language, simple suff to learn everywhere. For example, let's consider Visual Basic: it is really a beginner language - with VB, you can do complex UI in a couple of minutes.

Programming is not very difficult, in fact. Of course, if you only try to program, you'll fail (but anyway, if you only try to do anything, you'll fail as well). Programming, as any other non trivial task, requires involvement and constance.

Regards,

You could try Game Maker. It is really easy to use. You can make a whole game without ever writing any code using only drag n drop. My game dev team uses this for all of our games(mainly because I'm the only one interested in actual programming).

My mother happenends to be a teacher for the mentally handycapped, what he is probably refering to is a general advanced learning disability (think highschool age at 3rd grade level). It takes these people 5-20 times as much time and focus to learn, along with the need for help in these endevores. IMHO, this therefor makes programming impossiable, for the sheer fact they will have to be constantly learning.

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Original post by Anonymous Poster As for mental blocks/illness, that is your own excuse for failure, I would recommend to stop using it as a crutch. I know a lot of very bright people with some kind of "learning disability". I mean really, what kid these days doesnt have A-D-D or something?

Ok....How about you try for to learn for 2 years while both learning in your own and trying to take a class while still being at the same mental spot you were at 2 years ago. Point is I've tried and I just can't do it, hell I was learning Basic and was not able to understand it(as it's the same deal with complex math with me).

Moving on, What does a Game Designer do be exact(I've seen the term used but never explained)? Is there anywhere I might find info on the other positions within a game company?

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