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Seeing things through (Advice)

Started by nsmadsen Jul 27, 2007 at 2:26 PM 4 replies 1k views
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nsmadsen
nsmadsen
Hello Gamedev, I'm writing this post because I've noticed an alarming trend with some of projects: hiring multiple crew members to do one job, often times without their knowledge, then just dropping the un-needed workers. Let me explain. Project 1: I was hired, assigned roughly 100 SFX to create and we agreed on a price. All of this was in writing. The timeline for the project was roughly 8 months. I went ahead and spent $500 on resources so I could make the best sounds possible. About a week later I was emailed that the ENTIRE job had been completed by someone else and that I was no longer needed. What!? When did you hire someone else? When were you going to tell me? Why did you hire me, if you didn't need my services? Project 2: I was hired, given roughly 20 SFX to create and we agreed on a price. This was also in writing. I was emailed this morning saying everything was good to go. Then this afternoon, I was emailed saying basically "Sorry, I found someone to do this for free. I know it isn't cool, but sorry." This wasn't for a super large budget, but it still wastes my time and energy. (Keep in mind these are recent projects!) My advice to ALL teams and crews posting for people to work on their projects: See things through!! Believe or not, I'm not typing out of anger (frustration maybe) but I'm more worried that crews will begin to build bad reps if they make it a habit of dropping crew members like this. Also, the more you screw people over, the less others will be want join your team. You'll eventually find it harder and harder to find good crews. Now I understand that sometimes you hire someone to do some work, and a week later you get a much better offer. The professional approach is to either: *Talk with the existing crew member about the situation and see if there is some way to compromise. Maybe they could work together, get the content done that much faster and everyone is happy! *Tell the applicant that you're already under contract (or in a working relationship) with someone else, that you appreciate their interest and will consider them for future projects. The way I view it is this: Each project I sign on to do, I complete and make sure the client is completly happy. I'm obligated to do so because I've given my word to do this task for an agreed price. If a higher paying job comes along during that process I either: *Ask what the timeline is, maybe they can wait for my work until I complete my current tasks. *Inform them that I'm already committed to other tasks, that I really appreciate their interest and hope to work with them in the future. (The key word is COMMITTED.) This comes off much more professional than giving someone the job, then taking it back. Don't forget guys, video games are a business!!! There are those on gamedev that make their sole living by working on paying projects. Just as in any other business field, those that don't act professional don't usually last very long. I'm not even touching on the potential legal issues this kind of behavior could bring out, especially if things are set in writing! You want to avoid this! See things through, always act professional, treat your team with integrity and work hard. Those are the things that will set you apart from the rest and help you rise to the top. I hope that helps, Nathan [Edited by - nsmadsen on July 28, 2007 8:46:34 AM]
Nathan Madsen
Nate (AT) MadsenStudios (DOT) Com
Composer-Sound Designer
Madsen Studios

Austin, TX
RJSnow
RJSnow
This would make a good sticky!
bschneid
bschneid
Great advice. As with everything, professionalism sells, and it is a shame that some people are unable to understand that though this is the internet there is a real person spending time and money on their project. I encourage anyone with a team to think about the points brought up here, whether you are the leader or not. All you can really hope is that teams who act discourteously develop a bad reputation.


By the way, nsmadsen, you've got some great samples on your site! I can't believe anyone would just drop the opportunity to use some of that music.
Yotan
Yotan
Great advise.
I have in fact found out that its better to find out that you are lacking people, then to find out that you have to many. Finding more people is easyer then to tell a lot of people that you dont need them after all.
Jerky
Jerky
That situation comes down to bad Project Management. Overcomitting, undercomitting, or what have you, it still means bad management. Managers should not commit something only to take it back later, especially when it envolves pay. nmadsen says he has a signed document, which is a binding contract. I doubt he wishes to take it to the extreme, but he is fully within his rights to do more than just post a warning here. Depending on the verbiage, he is within full rights to take it to court (but like I said, I doubt he will).

So, what can we do? Well, we all have ratings. Use them. Thats not all we can do though. I would suggest making a new thread for warning against teams with bad practices. In a former life(it seems like one), I was a translator and signed up for many translating websites to get jobs. I still get emails from these sites telling me of businesses to steer clear of, because of bad practices or non-payment etc. My point is, its not outrageous to think that it is fair to publically list who the offenders are. Now, knowing a bit about nmadsen from the boards here, he didn't mention their names out of respect. That is very kind of him. However, it is also part of his (and our) responsibility to make sure everyone is in the know. If nmadsen were to list who the offenders are, we are fairly warned. This, however, can effect the way he comes across to the rest of people here. In short, it can effect his rating in both good, and potentially, bad ways. I think a moderator should enlighten us as to what we can/should do in situations like these.

Thanks for the warnings nmadsen. It is good advice for anyone here.
nsmadsen
nsmadsen
Thanks guys for all of the support! (And thanks bschneid for the kind words about my music!)

Nathan
Nathan Madsen
Nate (AT) MadsenStudios (DOT) Com
Composer-Sound Designer
Madsen Studios

Austin, TX

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