Gah, politics!
Oh well, I have two pennies which I'll donate.
The "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" phrase has always been kind of dumb, and both sides know it. Obviously guns make killing easier; so moving right along...


Would banning gun ownership in the US reduce crime?
It's hard to say for certain. Most of the comparisons you can make between the US and gun-banning nations is an apples-to-oranges comparison. I'm leaning toward, yes, to an extent. But the only way to really prove either way would be to ban them and compare. You'd probably see an initial crime spike as the lawful got rid of weapons and the unlawful kept them, but over time the total number of guns would go down, and crime would go down with it.

And the final junction in the logic train...
Should private gun ownership be banned in the US.
If the only thing at stake were the crime rate, I'd say sure, give it a shot. Unfortunately, there's plenty out there that's more important. The US government is built on checks and balances. Private gun ownership is kind of the last defense. [I'm not advocating vigilantism, please don't misinterpret.] No matter what you think of the US government, there's a limit to how much they can take from their people. They pass laws that piss the population off on a regular basis. However, there's a limit to how far they can go so long as the population has the ability to defend itself.

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Ok, I'm done being paranoid now.
I'm heading out to do some drinking at the shooting range with my do-rag, pickup truck, and country-polka-metal 8-track tapes.

Quote: Original post by Phytoplankton
Gah, politics!
Oh well, I have two pennies which I'll donate.
The "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" phrase has always been kind of dumb, and both sides know it. Obviously guns make killing easier; so moving right along...

This thread has nothing to do with guns or gun control.

Just thought you should know...

Quote: Original post by Eelco
Im sorry, i thought you were being intentionally dense, but it seems like an honest miscommunication. Yeah, that was uncalled for.

I just rated you up for that! I never see anyone use the word 'sorry' around here...

Quote: Australia just got it's first major politician who doesn't believe in global warming :/
He's not even just one of the ones that doesn't believe in the link between human actions and changing climate, but he actually denies that climate change is occurring whatsoever.

Even if climate change doesn't happen we must have the guns hoisted at it. Climate change can happen by detonating a bunch of nukes. i.e North Corea deciding to comit suicide and take every one with it, detonates its nukes on its own soil, what do you do then?

Maybe it s a ridiculous example and thermo-nuclear bomb stands for something else (a bomb that can change the climate is not far away at all still). The earth has truly become a tight place...
why sweat it to preserve something that can not be preserved/is so fragile? we must be prepared for a mars like earth.

Quote: Original post by Calin

Quote: Australia just got it's first major politician who doesn't believe in global warming :/
He's not even just one of the ones that doesn't believe in the link between human actions and changing climate, but he actually denies that climate change is occurring whatsoever.

Even if climate change doesn't happen we must have the guns hoisted at it. Climate change can happen by detonating a bunch of nukes. i.e North Corea deciding to comit suicide and take every one with it, detonates its nukes on its own soil, what do you do then?

Maybe it s a ridiculous example and thermo-nuclear bomb stands for something else (a bomb that can change the climate is not far away at all still). The earth has truly become a tight place...
why sweat it to preserve something that can not be preserved/is so fragile? we must be prepared for a mars like earth.

North Korea's nuclear stockpile isn't going to do anything to the environment. The idea that a nuclear war could change the climate was of the United States and Russia detonating 100,000+ multi megaton bombs all at once and even thats questionable.

North Korea most likely has less than 10 bombs in the kiloton range meaning both United States and Russia have done surface tests of bombs with more power than North Korea's entire stockpile.

Greenhouse effect-it's very simple.More than 90% of carbon dioxide actiually is not in air,but dissolved in ocean water.Than higher temperature, than less amount of C02 can be in dissolved state.Than more ocean water heats up,than more dioxide returns in atmosphere,more greenhouse effect and so on,Earth simply returns to Venus state.Positive feedback.It's not a joke,ocean streams changes because of global warming. CO2 from ocean deeps can migrate to surface,temperature will jump very quickly,and the best place will be in town morgue.Freezer better than gun,that's my opinion [smile]