Quote:Original post by Kaze Personally I have no doubt that most of the idiotic screaming going on now is motivated by racism, The real question is if its hurting the democrats are republicans more.
I could be over estimated the average intelligence of Americans but if its a calculated move rather than blind hatred why dose it seem like it can't possibly be good for the right in the long run.
Based on what exactly? The issue isn't substantative enough to generate honest intellectual division? On what do you base your certainty?
To Obama's credit, he's distanced himself from this idiocy. Nor do I believe he's behind the scenes pulling the levers. This is not a net positive for him, and I'm sure he knows it. He won the presidency on merit, and now retards from his own side are attempting to delegitimize him.
Quote:Original post by capn_midnight So it's Republicans now. Before it was right-wingers. So then, are you asserting that Republicans, as a group, are racists? Are you asserting that conservatives, as a whole, are racists? It's right-wingers, or Republicans, or whatever, who are targeting ACORN specifically because they help minorities, so what else would you call it? Would you say that racism is a defining attribute of conservatism and being a Republican?
I doubt that's what he meant. Its pretty well known that minorities and the poor vote predominantly Democrat, so many Republicans like to attack programs that focus on getting these people to vote.
ACORN may or may not be corrupt, but listening to the talking heads you'd think that they were some sort of Illuminati-like organization bent on controlling the government from the shadows. No doubt there is some fraud going on in such a large organization, but I'm extremely skeptical that its as wide-spread as some would like to claim. The fervor around the attacks would set off the BS alarm, if it weren't already set off by reports from Fox News (the its-ok-to-lie-on-the-news network).
Quote:Original post by Kaze Personally I have no doubt that most of the idiotic screaming going on now is motivated by racism, The real question is if its hurting the democrats are republicans more.
I could be over estimated the average intelligence of Americans but if its a calculated move rather than blind hatred why dose it seem like it can't possibly be good for the right in the long run.
Based on what exactly? The issue isn't substantative enough to generate honest intellectual division? On what do you base your certainty?
Between the volume of bile and that the supposed libertarian revolution is being orchestrated by bush fanboys I have plenty of reasons believe their motives are dishonest at best.
Either way I don't believe that the right or republicans are inherently racists but I do believe that the neocons will stoop to whatever low it takes to stay in the spotlight for another day.
Quote:Original post by Kaze Between the volume of bile and that the supposed libertarian revolution is being orchestrated by bush fanboys I have plenty of reasons believe their motives are dishonest at best.
Either way I don't believe that the right or republicans are inherently racists but I do believe that the neocons will stoop to whatever low it takes to stay in the spotlight for another day.
So, based on nothing then? I agree that a lot of Bushies are pretend libertarians these days. I also agree that neocons have no recognizable floor on their willingess to accomplish their ends.
That's a long way from you being certain that I'm a racist because I don't support Obama's political goals.
Quote:Original post by Kaze Between the volume of bile and that the supposed libertarian revolution is being orchestrated by bush fanboys I have plenty of reasons believe their motives are dishonest at best.
Either way I don't believe that the right or republicans are inherently racists but I do believe that the neocons will stoop to whatever low it takes to stay in the spotlight for another day.
So, based on nothing then? I agree that a lot of Bushies are pretend libertarians these days. I also agree that neocons have no recognizable floor on their willingess to accomplish their ends.
That's a long way from you being certain that I'm a racist because I don't support Obama's political goals.
I never said you were a racist, I said that people screaming about obama being a secret muslim illegal immigrant probably aren't doing so out of a strong belief in small government.
ACORN is what it is, a criminal enterprise, period. Obama 52%, McCain 48%, one of the closest elections in our history, fact. Now ask this "breadless" if you are truely capable of being intellectually honest.(Could Obama have won without ACORN?) Answer, no, fact. And guess who supports ACORN? ALL of the tax payers, us, ALL of us! Not just Obama supporting tax payers, all taxpayers, ALL! So 48% of Americans were forced thru taxation to actually pay for all of ACORN'S operational expenses, thus pay to elect a leader they did not want. It is perfectly honest to assert that thru ACORN Obamam stole the election, as ACORN are criminals and criminals behave in criminal activity. ACORN is Obama's community action portion of his resume, which is the only thing on it. If the left had a clue they would shut up about ACORN, because when a dirty criminal gets caught for the first time it is not the first time they committed a crime. Just keep trying to make ACORN out to be the helpless victims and a microscope will creep up their behinds, and you won't like what they find. This whole ACORN thing is just the tip of an enormous, deadly, submerged, ship sinking, iceberg.
Quote:Original post by LessBread ACORN organizes poor people, poor people of color usually, and it's effective. That makes it a priority target for the right wing.
Do conservatives also want to take grandma's medicine to feed their army of robots?
The hell are you talking about? Are you merely expressing skepticism about LB's claim?
and questioning his motivations for saying it.
LessBread: What did you mean by "priority target"? Target for what? Gift baskets and puppy-grams?
My motivations? The truth. That's the truth. They've targeted it for destruction. The right isn't targeting ACORN because it's criminal. They target it because it does an effective job registering poor people and people of color to vote. It's a threat to their power and they've been after ACORN for a long time now. They used to attack it for voter fraud (really voter registration fraud), neglecting the fact that when it comes to voter registration fraud the criminals work for Republicans [1], [2], [3]. If anything Republicans stir up a fuss about ACORN to divert attention away from their own corruption [4], [5], [6]. Moreover, they target it because it fits their longstanding strategy of scaring white people into fearing that their tax dollars are being wasted on undeserving black and brown people.
So it's Republicans now. Before it was right-wingers. So then, are you asserting that Republicans, as a group, are racists? Are you asserting that conservatives, as a whole, are racists? It's right-wingers, or Republicans, or whatever, who are targeting ACORN specifically because they help minorities, so what else would you call it? Would you say that racism is a defining attribute of conservatism and being a Republican?
For some Republicans, yes. Are you familiar with Nixon's "Southern Strategy"? I think by now you know that I'm not going to seriously say something that provocative without being able to back it up with references and evidence and that I'm pretty good at providing references and evidence. If you want me to substantiate the claim, I can.
Are Republicans as a group racist? Not explicitly. Have some people in the Republican party targeted ACORN because they help ethnic minorities? I think so. Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democratic. So do Jews, but I don't see Republicans relentlessly targeting Jewish groups. The GOP has been going after ACORN for years now. Their attack on ACORN is at the heart of the US Attorney firing scandal from 2005 that brought Alberto Gonzales down. Much of the impetus behind the continued drumbeat against ACORN this year is to reinforce the misconception among whites that entitlement money predominantly flows to blacks - pimps and hos and such just as in these videos. It's an updated version of Reagan's attack on welfare queens in Cadillacs. And in these economically difficult times, it plays on the anxieties felt by many displaced whites. When time and again we hear protesters at townhalls demanding "I want my country back!" a good portion of that sentiment is ground in racial fear. As Jimmy Carter said, "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man." This gets framed in terms of Joe Wilson being white and President Obama being black, but given that the subject of Wilson's outburst was whether Mexicans would be included in health care... I'm sorry but the racism is obvious and sadly it has too many people of good will cowed into submission.
Quote: WASHINGTON - An advocacy group under fire after employees were caught on camera appearing to advise a couple posing as a prostitute and pimp to lie about the woman's profession to get housing help said Wednesday it is ordering an independent investigation. ... In addition, ACORN won't accept new admissions into its community service programs, effective immediately, and within the next few days will conduct staff training, she said.
Lewis said the steps were being taken in response to "the indefensible action of a handful of our employees."
The moves are among several developments in recent days involving ACORN, a liberal-leaning group that is a popular target for Republicans. In addition to the hidden-camera video, it is under scrutiny for several voter-registration fraud cases.
Some Republicans are urging the Justice Department to investigate ACORN. The Senate voted Monday to block the Housing and Urban Development Department from giving grants to ACORN, and the Census Bureau last week severed its ties with the group for the 2010 national head-count. ... The video released Monday was among several that have prompted the firing of at least four ACORN employees in Baltimore and Washington. It was created by James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles and posted on BigGovernment.com, where O'Keefe identifies himself as an activist filmmaker. ...
"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes." - the Laughing Man
Quote:Original post by stonegiant ACORN is what it is, a criminal enterprise, period. Obama 52%, McCain 48%, one of the closest elections in our history, fact. Now ask this "breadless" if you are truely capable of being intellectually honest.(Could Obama have won without ACORN?) Answer, no, fact. And guess who supports ACORN? ALL of the tax payers, us, ALL of us! Not just Obama supporting tax payers, all taxpayers, ALL! So 48% of Americans were forced thru taxation to actually pay for all of ACORN'S operational expenses, thus pay to elect a leader they did not want. It is perfectly honest to assert that thru ACORN Obamam stole the election, as ACORN are criminals and criminals behave in criminal activity. ACORN is Obama's community action portion of his resume, which is the only thing on it. If the left had a clue they would shut up about ACORN, because when a dirty criminal gets caught for the first time it is not the first time they committed a crime. Just keep trying to make ACORN out to be the helpless victims and a microscope will creep up their behinds, and you won't like what they find. This whole ACORN thing is just the tip of an enormous, deadly, submerged, ship sinking, iceberg.
I see that your suspension has been lifted. Let's try to keep the discussion civil shall we? Let's not attack other people for intellectual dishonesty without cause shall we? You claim that Obama could not have won last year without ACORN. What evidence supports that claim? Can you back up your assertion with more than bombast? There are a lot of ugly things that all of us as taxpayers support. The invasion and occupation of Iraq stands out like a sore thumb. Unless you have evidence to support the assertion then it's not honest to assert that Obama stole the election through ACORN. It's just bluster and you're just a sore loser whining over things you can't change.
"I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes." - the Laughing Man
Jimmy Carter is considered by many to be the worst President we ever had, and both sides realize he is a stuffed shirt moron. If not for the watergate issue that peanut farmer would never ever had stood a chance at sitting in the oval office. The party of racial separation is historicaly the Democratic parties shame to bear. Al (carbon foot print) Gore's own Father was in the Democratic party and was a part of a small handfull of Democarts who continually voted against all civil rights reforms, ALL, very shamefull, and disgusting. The apple can never fall far from the tree. Lincoln was a Republican, if he were a Democrat he never would have entered into our civil war, which accounts for dead Americans than all other american war deaths combined, as the Democratic party at that time was for all forms of slavery.
ACORN has been involved in massive voter fraud, which was set aside by McCain's camp after the election. I guess you won't believe it until John (Leibowitz) Stewart tells you so. Specific: One documented instance was that more voted for Obama in one region than actually lived there. That is why ACORN wanted in on the census, and have been removed, look for yourself about ACORN voter fraud, not pretty.
