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The difference between memories of past events and memories of dreams you had, is that the latter are made from the former. So, the richer your experiences are, the richer your dreams will be.

Alright. Can you come up with a better phrasing than that. Can you find an exception to this statement that's worth postulating at?

Thanks.

The same leads back to the same.

(Taken from

">Samael - Jupiterian Vibe lyrics)

Is it proven that dreams are created only from memories? Many dreams are pretty random and not related to actual memories at all...

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Original post by Swordmaster The same leads back to the same. (Taken from ">Samael - Jupiterian Vibe lyrics)

I honestly believe that could have been put in less gay terms. Not that I'm against gay people. I just don't give a fuck about them.

And. I don't see the relation between my OP and the lyrics of your video, even when I standed the whole shit against my will.

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Original post by Lode Is it proven that dreams are created only from memories? Many dreams are pretty random and not related to actual memories at all...

Is it proven otherwise? It is proven that dreams involve the visual areas of the brain. Can you dream about something you have never seen?

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Original post by owl Can you dream about something you have never seen?

Of course you can! I've probably never written or read this exact sentence before, but that doesn't stop me from being able to generate it.

A grammar (in the formal sense of the word) is what facilitates this, so perhaps one learns a kind of visual grammar over their lifetime that can be used to generate new, previously unseen scenes. In that case, it would be true that richer experiences could lead to richer dreams up to a certain point if everyone converges to visual grammars of equal power (which is a big "if").

I think it's safe to say that if you're raised by wolves, you will have wolf dreams. If you're raised by humans, you will have human dreams.

Memory and experience are kept in your brain using specific arrangements of your neurons, etc. Dreams play on those structures, do they not? What else do dreams have to work from? Nothing. If you've never seen a zebra, but you happen to dream of one, then it's just plain obvious that it was due to some random electrochemical fuckup when your brain tried to dream about a horse. The same goes for a giraffe, which is just a fucked up Voronoi horse with a Dali-style neck. :)

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Original post by DaWanderer Quote: Original post by owl Can you dream about something you have never seen? Of course you can! I've probably never written or read this exact sentence before, but that doesn't stop me from being able to generate it. A grammar (in the formal sense of the word) is what facilitates this, so perhaps one learns a kind of visual grammar over their lifetime that can be used to generate new, previously unseen scenes. In that case, it would be true that richer experiences could lead to richer dreams up to a certain point if everyone converges to visual grammars of equal power (which is a big "if").

I am sorry. WAT?

To spanish (and to me) that translates like: The brain can generate images without *ANY* (visual) information from the outside world.

I'm not discarding that possibility, but I think that's far below what the OP is stating.

Makes you wonder... do people born blind dream in images?

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Original post by owl Quote: Original post by Swordmaster The same leads back to the same. (Taken from ">Samael - Jupiterian Vibe lyrics) I honestly believe that could have been put in less gay terms. Not that I'm against gay people. I just don't give a fuck about them. And. I don't see the relation between my OP and the lyrics of your video, even when I standed the whole shit against my will.

My use of lyric from that song, was based around my interpretation of what you quoted in the OP (mostly this part; "the latter are made from the former"). But honestly I feel phrasings (the less elaborate ones) that have been made throughout history, are speaking of real-world examples that a person might associate with (which can be about a specific feeling; happiness for example.

Because if a phrase didn't, it could mean just about anything (which might sometimes be intentional on the creators part). And with a single persons unique views on the world, interpretation can change meanings around. So in effect, something (like murder) may appear bad to one person and good to another. Like the Greek philosopher Epictetus once said, "Man is disturbed not by things, but by the views he takes of them."

I hope that made sense to you, as I tried to make it as clear as possible.


And while I like the phrase, personally I don't get it for these reasons;

suggestive key points in it like:

"memories of past events" and "memories of dreams" doesn't describe any example one can relate to. It's just a generalization. But I guess that's nature of short quotes...go figure :P

[Edited by - Swordmaster on September 11, 2010 12:01:34 PM]