Quote: Original post by Hodgman
If it does happen, it will because of majority will, thus democratically right.

An imported majority, that is. Europe is starting to realize this, and with the rise of the right in EU nations, immigration reform and other limits of the Islamic infection will be implemented. I'm hoping it's not too late.

I completely disagree with your estimate of the relative level of foundational drive and justification for violence between the religions in question, and secondly, as I've already mentioned, while Christianity has a very violent past, it is that--a past, and the religion has morphed sufficiently that it is not a danger. The same cannot be said of Islam--it ruined the advanced culture of knowledge that the Middle East had in ancient past in mathematics, science, and art, and now, resurgent due to various factors, it is threatening the world again. And while the radical wing carry out the violence, the rest both tacitly and vocally support them and defend them and also defend their prophet Mohammed fucking his nine year old wife.

Quote: That's not bad for half a century of imperialistic world domination...

The US isn't trying to impose sharia law over its supposed conquests. It is a deeply flawed country, but remains the greatest on Earth and you should be ashamed of comparing it with the most vile of religions.

Quote: Original post by taby
The fact of the matter is this:
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- Without empirical evidence, your argument remains a speculation.
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Philosophy of Science Check:
I'd just like to point out that this statement is wrong. You can have mountains of empirical evidence and come up with false theories which are perfectly supported by the evidence.

Case in point: Ptolemy's model for the solar system.

Anyways, happy flaming!

Quote: Original post by slayemin

Quote: Original post by taby
The fact of the matter is this:
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- Without empirical evidence, your argument remains a speculation.
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Philosophy of Science Check:
I'd just like to point out that this statement is wrong. You can have mountains of empirical evidence and come up with false theories which are perfectly supported by the evidence.

Case in point: Ptolemy's model for the solar system.

Anyways, happy flaming!

General philosophy check:
Theory has as much to do with law as it does with science. Your mention of science is a strawman.

You do know that theory and speculation are the very same thing, right? I didn't say that a theory always has to be correct, in any of my posts, and so I don't know where you got that from. I mean, in terms of the law, an incorrect theory based on empirical evidence wrongly convicts people all the time, but generally not when it comes to conspiracy to commit fraud (or whatever it is that phantom evil forces do to control the world economy).

Until such time that he presents evidence, his speculation/theory will continue to be a speculation/theory (e.g., and not a new law somehow magically forbidding these phantom evil forces to ever rise again). And when I say evidence, I don't mean ramblings. It had better be rock solid, otherwise a judge won't even go to trial. Presenting evidence in a legal case is nothing at all like trying to discover Keplerian law, errr, general relativity, errr, string theory, errr, the theory of everything. Your comparison of the two is utterly ridiculous.

The epicycles were a hack. There was no concensus even for the ancients. The heliocentric concept was discovered in the 300BC era, not the 1500AD era. What are you babbling about?

Anyway, thanks for the inspiration. Flame on. RAWR HISS RAWR.

[Edited by - taby on September 15, 2010 4:03:34 AM]

Quote: Original post by taby
You do know that theory and speculation are the very same thing, right?

I disagree and think you're confused on terminology.

A theory is an accepted model for explaining something. "Theory" and "model" can be used synonymously.
"Speculation" is synonymous with "Hypothesis". The difference between a theory/model and a hypothesis/speculation is that a theory has been tested and stands up to attack. A hypothesis is a guess at a model, but generally won't be accepted until it passes tests of validity.

Quote: Your mention of science is a strawman.

I disagree again. When you start asking for empirical evidence, you're asking for measured data. Acquiring and measuring that data is a part of science. We then interpret the data and create multiple hypotheses to try to explain what we're seeing, and, after much rigor, are left with plausible theories.

For the other stuff, I don't know where you're pulling all this from.
-I said nothing about legal law.
-I said nothing about heliocentric models.
-I never argued about scientific consensus.

My original point was that even if someone does give you empirical evidence and a theory/model to explain it, it may not be true (and some philosophers would take the extreme and argue that it's never true). Science faces the 'problem of induction', so saying "It's true because it's science!" is itself a logical fallacy. So, asking Prune for empirical evidence to support his claims doesn't necessarily mean that his claims would be true even if he provides evidence.

Quote: Original post by Prune
My suggestion is that Islam is a greater threat than some possibilities of WMD developments. A pre-emptive nuclear strike on Mecca and Medina would serve the West well in seeding deep doubt in the devout Islamists--if the holy sites go up in mushroom clouds, that would beg the question: "Where is your Allah now?"

This was the point where I realized that you're just insane.

Quote: Original post by Prune
The US isn't trying to impose sharia law over its supposed conquests. It is a deeply flawed country, but remains the greatest on Earth and you should be ashamed of comparing it with the most vile of religions.

Lol, you really are crazy... Though this does explain your radical ideology and blatant racism.

Quote: Original post by Hodgman

Quote: Original post by Prune
The US isn't trying to impose sharia law over its supposed conquests. It is a deeply flawed country, but remains the greatest on Earth and you should be ashamed of comparing it with the most vile of religions.

Lol, you really are crazy... Though this does explain your radical ideology and blatant racism.

The greatest county on Earth is Russia. He's not only crazy, but fails at elementary school geographics [grin]

Yeeeaaah, I'm teh TROLL

This has gone on long enough.