Daft new post vote buttons

Why would it have anything to do with Facebook? It doesn't look like the Facebook button and sits next to a "dislike" button which Facebook doesn't have an equivalent for. What do you think it should say instead - "^ this"?

Why would it have anything to do with Facebook? It doesn't look like the Facebook button and sits next to a "dislike" button which Facebook doesn't have an equivalent for. What do you think it should say instead - "^ this"?

I can't see a dislike button?

All I see is this:

There is an actual Facebook "like" button at the end of the page though.

What do you think it should say instead - "^ this"?
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• ++(*this);
  
• MOAR!
  
• Anything except 'like'
  
  If you see the amount of advice given to people to make their own characters, their own games, not to copy from others - yet in this it is hard to think that gamedev.net would have picked 'like' for any reason other than its Facebook association.
  
  

  
  I can't see a dislike button?
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  Some users have access to a red negative thumb. I don't know the hueristics/voodoo involved in this decision.

There was a discussion a few months back after the board changed over.

http://www.gamedev.n...ive-reputation/


The actual voodoo is in the code, but from the discussion the consensus was along these lines:

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* Add a nice red "Disagree" button back in as well -- but only for users who themselves have a reputation over a certain threshold (say 50 for example) -- this way random newbies and trolls will generally not have access to the negative functionality, but it will still be in place for more knowledgeable members. Whatever the threshold value is should be high enough to not be achievable with only a couple of funny off-topic posts, but should be low enough to be reasonably easy for a genuinely helpful member to attain in a relatively short period of time. "Disagreeing" with posts should lower reputation.[/quote]

[color="#1C2837"]There was also discussion about the names to use, and ultimately there was so much chatter on it that people agreed it didn't really matter what it was called. "Give a cookie" and "smack down" were one; "Right" and "Wrong" were discussed, along with a whole bunch of other options. Does it really matter? You click the up or "+" button and the post gets marked up and their reputation improves. You click the down or "-" button and the post gets marked down and their reputation decreases.

[color="#1C2837"]If you don't like the button images you can easily modify it with your own custom style sheet. The style classes are rep_up and rep_down.

Why would it have anything to do with Facebook? It doesn't look like the Facebook button and sits next to a "dislike" button which Facebook doesn't have an equivalent for. What do you think it should say instead - "^ this"?

GameDev:

FaceBook: [attachment=5691:fb-like.PNG]

No similarity at all... of course before FB we never "liked" posts or pages, but it's still a coincidence and there is literally no other way to vote for posts.

The most likely future is that we will shift to a system where you answer the question: Was this post helpful? Yes / No

It will not be turned on for forums like the lounge.

The most likely future is that we will shift to a system where you answer the question: Was this post helpful? Yes / No

It will not be turned on for forums like the lounge.

I like this.

But I do think the thumb logo is a bit much. That's probably the part that makes it most facebook-esque.

But I do think the thumb logo is a bit much. That's probably the part that makes it most facebook-esque.

Or alternatively, keeping the thumb but removing "like" would have the same effect for me -- it's the combination of 'thumbs up' + 'like' that makes it FBesque. But perhaps being FBesque was a deliberate choice...

Up votes are fine, though I'm always a bit concerned with negative posts - it doesn't matter whether you limit who has access, there's still a temptation for people to dish them out not for say bad behaviour or incorrect information, but just for disagreeing (especially in debaty topics that you're more likely to get in the Lounge). In some ways, limiting who has it can be worse, as now person A can downvote person B's view in a debate, but not vice versa. To be fair, it's not too bad here as most people in a debate seem not to use downvotes, but I do see it often enough.

Slashdot had an interesting idea in that the amount of votes you had was very limited - it forced you to use your votes wisely, rather than voting up and down everyone depending on your view (though even there, on Slashdot, down moderation was often abused).

And whatever the threshold is, it's more than 50, as I'm still not seeing this button

The Facebook like is a separate matter altogether - one criticism I'd make is it's not clear what I would be liking (the thread? Gamedev.net as a whole?). (Nor is it clear what gets broadcast to Facebook based on what I click here, but that's more a criticism of Facebook I guess...)

You could add a system with 3 choices. somehting like

[^] [-] [v] (liek, meh, disliek)

So you can give neutral votes

Though even changing the color would make it not-facebook. The dislike button is red, couldnt the like button look a bit greenish?

Likes are meh. Bring back the good old seal of approval I say.

I like the threshold idea: You need a certain reputation before being able to vote at all. Your reputation should influence the weight of your vote.

I think down votes are important because it makes people think twice before posting some nonsense.

If you want voting and permissions done right, look into how Stackoverflow handles it.

Voting Up (requires 15 rep)

Voting Down (requires 125 rep)

Slashdot had an interesting idea in that the amount of votes you had was very limited - it forced you to use your votes wisely, rather than voting up and down everyone depending on your view (though even there, on Slashdot, down moderation was often abused).

Would be cool if you had this system but it allowed more votes based on existing rep.

The "like this button" always struck me as something that could confuse someone new to the forums. It's similar enough that you could assume it's somehow linked into Facebook.

I think I may have seen something similar in another, much older, post but I have never quite understood the reason to just have a like and dislike style button on their own. Why am I/others liking/not liking this post? tends to be something I think to myself when I click the buttons or see a posts rep. It would be great to see a reason (even if it's from a list of single worlds) why a post is good or not.

I too was very confused when they took the simple, green "+" button and replaced it with a FB replica. I actually didn't use the "thumb" to up a few posts only due to me thinking it would go to Facebook (to be honest, very few apps/webpages don't do that nowadays).

So yeah, introducing something less confusing would be appreciated.

EDIT: Unless Gamedev is being friendly towards the illiterate blobs that inhabit the deep space of Facebook -- those that cannot handle real-life without hardwired translation into FB chatter. Nice move.

EDIT2: Also, seeing which of my posts got "liked" would help a lot. Sometimes, I'm not entirelly sure a post I thought was relevant got upped, or was it an older off-topic one that was just witty...

The most likely future is that we will shift to a system where you answer the question: Was this post helpful? Yes / No

It will not be turned on for forums like the lounge.

This. I want this. No thumb/hand and no "Like".

Also, I too would be in favor of being able to see which posts got ++'d. Maybe just make a tab, similar to the Recent Post's tab in someone's profile, but in this tab just filter it to only include ++'d posts and sort by most recent.

[quote name='Michael Tanczos' timestamp='1317949393' post='4869938']
The most likely future is that we will shift to a system where you answer the question: Was this post helpful? Yes / No

It will not be turned on for forums like the lounge.

This. I want this. No thumb/hand and no "Like".

Also, I too would be in favor of being able to see which posts got ++'d. Maybe just make a tab, similar to the Recent Post's tab in someone's profile, but in this tab just filter it to only include ++'d posts and sort by most recent.
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That's a pretty good idea.. if anything to find the gems of the forums a little easier. I think in our next iteration we'll try to a lot more on our end to make it easier to help each other out. My students use this site actually.. so on the XNA site I want to see us doing a lot more. We've got some really great things coming down the pipeline in terms of how we organize the site and how we make it easier to publish content.

The original idea behind this site is to make it easy for people to help each other to become better game developers. That's really what we're about.

[quote name='Michael Tanczos' timestamp='1317949393' post='4869938']
The most likely future is that we will shift to a system where you answer the question: Was this post helpful? Yes / No

It will not be turned on for forums like the lounge.

I like this.[/quote]LOL