Now What For The UK ?
We are still in.
We will be still in until at least sometime in 2018 (aka about £36bn later) and the precise 'when' of it depends on when article 50 is invoked... although the leave camp are apparently in no hurry to do it... so aside from us being able to do anything in Europe for the next 2 years, right now nothing has changed.
(There is talk that we might not be out until 2020; so that'll be around £72billion and no influence later...)
I mean, don't get me wrong, if I wasn't a UK citizen at this point and had a high skilled job I'd be looking to get the fuck out; while it might not be all about immigration for some for a lot it was and the amount of nasty shit thrown about means I wouldn't feel welcome here any more.
(Although, 'leave' have now down played immigration controls and it depends on what market access we want we might have to keep free movement anyway... along with a shit load of laws on goods in order to trade... so those 'silly' laws are likely still to impact us.. hurray!)
So, by my count, the 'leave' side are currently backing out of three things which, if not promised, were heavily implied and a big deal for many voters...
Still, it'll be interesting to look back on this, 5 or 10 years from now, and see if either side is willing to admit they made a mistake depending on the state of the country.
My guess... probably not...
If the economy is a wreak then the leavers will continue to maintain better this than the EU.
If the economy is going well then the remainers will likely maintain that we'd be doing better in the EU.
The only thing I know for certain is this debate, which was full of flith and vitrol, has caused massive social scaring up and down the country and that is going to be the hardest thing to recover from...
Maybe more than the result the "debate" itself has probably fucked us the most...
then Britain, France, Germany... were net contributors to EU while others where net beneficiaries
Britain, was a net recipient of migrants - many of these contribute massively positively to the economy, but there were also massive pressures on public services and also there were migrants for benefits - these disadvantages outweighs the advantages - hence for me Brexit is right, but its marginal
The common market was good though
The shock of the exit has started and its going to be huge, but when it calms down then the positive benefits of being outside the EU would start to be felt
The EU is VERY new and England has ruled itself for more than a millennia. This will not have a long term impact on the UK, although it may destroy the EU. Even then, all of the EU states have existed for centuries.
Now they don't need comply with some of the sillier EU regulations and follow laws written by people they may not have elected.
I think Brexit is rather easier as UK wasn't in Schengen or Eurozone and I believe they will make a regulation like Norway if they don't want to make an example for the rest.
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The 'what now' pretty much revolves around the trade deals put in place; if we want 'free trade' (aka pay in, no tariffs) then we have to accept free movement which means no change in immigration status.
Amusingly, I was just reading statements from the leave side which basically said they are in favour of free movement and immigration so there is a good chance it won't change.... that'll make people happy :D
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The idiots who voted leave are now busy googling such trivial questions as "what is the EU?". Maybe a question they should have asked 2 days ago.
Oh, and voting to leave the EU means they have to leave the EU? Who knew?
Apart from the young people who overwhelmingly voted to remain, of course.
This is a bewildering act of self harm.
You don't live in the UK
A fact for which I am profoundly grateful today.
But funnily enough, it still affects me, My (Irish) brother lives in Scotland. He and his partner now have to consider whether they can stay. I have Kiwi friends with British passports who work in European ski resorts every winter (not anymore!). I know families with one European parent and one British parent who are freaked out right now.
So yeah, I'm fucking annoyed about this. You can moderate me all you want, doesn't change the fact that no-one has presented a reason to leave that isn't based in xenophobia.
But if you really want to know how stupid it is.... look at who supports it.
I can wish for France people: Marine Le Pen morghulis... But I understand them at least: with such morons like Jean-Claude Juncker that should stay in JAIL instead of being the been the president of the European Commission, that nazi bitch looks like a titan...
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no-one has presented a reason to leave that isn't based in xenophobia.
Uh, i have some earlier.
How about the constant squandering and wastage of cash? How about the fact that we pay in ten times more than we get back out of it?
The administrative costs of all the rules and regulations?
How about the fact that we don't have a say in a lot of this even as a member state, because just like eurovision song contest, everyone has little cliques and makes agreements behind closed doors to come to mutual agreements, which we are left out of?
How about silly things like the fishing quota which states we have no control over fishing in our own waters and if we accidentally fish over our quota we must throw the overage over the side of the boat to die?
Or all the farming quotas and rules, wasted food and resources when we actually export little in terms of farm produce to the EU?
Where do we start. Ask anyone who actually lives in the UK about how the silly regulations and laws affect them and they can give you stories all day long.
By the way, I'm considered relatively young and I voted to leave. It's not all about age, nor is it about racism for me and many others.
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How about the fact that we pay in ten times more than we get back out of it?
You might want to be careful about that "fact"; yes we are a net contributor but not to that level.
Influence? Largely on us frankly, we never really engaged with the EU and in recent years we voted in representatives who took the money and if they bothered to turn up simply voted everything down further destroying our ability to operate in the EU. The line from Germany and France has always been they want us involved in a strong way, we were a good counter balance.. but we never did.
Silly things like 'fishing quota' might well have saved fish stocks... but lets not let a little thing like extinction of a species be a problem eh?
Farming quotas and rules (many of which are on livestock but lets not worry about the animals eh?) and farms are still strungling because super markets are pushing down the price of food and the farms get EU money back to help them out - they would probably be in a worse position too without controls in place.
And finally 'ask anyone...' - bullshit.
Plenty of people, day in, day out, have lived and died without the EU having any significat impact on their lives (or not in a negative way) at all - it is easy to find 'problems' when those who encounter them shout the loudest but its also key to remember those people are likely not the majority either... unless you want to agree the loudest are in which case the xenophobia groups in the leave campaign sure made a lot of noise...
On the flip side, plenty of areas of the UK have benefited from money from the EU, be they under privileged areas or just simply organistations which help people. I'm sure you've already seen the news about Cornwall, which gets a lot of money, voting to leave and then turning around and demanding its EU money be maintained when it leaves. Other areas of the UK benefit in much the same way, largely the northern areas in fact despite them voting to leave (I seem to recall a stat which said the areas which get the most amount of money from the EU voted to leave, while those with the most immigration voted to stay...)
On a more personal note a friend of mine runs a local community radio station which helps young adults/teenages with learning disabilities to help get out and do things and boost their confidence etc - that happened as a direct result of EU funding and right now he doesn't know if that'll be able to continue in the future.
So, yes, reasons to leave but plenty of reasons to stay too as we get a lot from the EU.
Nope, a muslim welsh woman certainly wasn't told to get out now that leave have 'won'.
Someone certainly isn't walking around Romford with a "Now we've won, send them back" t-shirt on.
There is no way someone was spat on and told to 'go home' because of the colour of his skin.
The National Front aren't out in Newcastle with a banner saying "Stop Immigration. Start Repatriation"
Nope, good to see the nastiness has gone away and we are all fine once more...
When you have huge differences between GDP per capital the net migration movement is always going to be in one direction
When you have huge differences between government benefits (btw claiming child benefits for children not living the host country is scandalous and a fraud bait) the net migration movement is always going to be in one direction
when you have huge difference in employment rates between countries the net migration movement is always going to be in one direction
Little is done by the bureaucrats in Brussels in the form of economy/social benefits stress tests before they jumble countries together. I would have preferred all current EU countries to remain but in a radically reformed settings, but since these bureaucrats are not brave enough to do this, then imo Brexit was marginally the right decision
can't help being grumpy...
Just need to let some steam out, so my head doesn't explode...