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Learn both. They both are equally good. I seriously hope this doesn''t become another flame war. Also, C++ works for the Internet as well; it''s just not as integrated into the language like Java.

P.S. Try your best to never post a vs. b posts, ok.

Even better, see that ''search'' icon in the upper-right of your screen? Next to ''login'', under "GDSE"? Click it and see where it takes you.

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Thanks to Kylotan for the idea!

I agree with Floppy; a vs b posts suck. However, I am a very big fan of x vs y posts.

Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism or Microsoft-bashing) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward - Edward Abbey

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Original post by Oluseyi
Even better, see that ''search'' icon in the upper-right of your screen? Next to ''login'', under "GDSE"? Click it and see where it takes you.

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"True... true." - Budwieser Commercial(s)

what can''t you do in "c++" that you can do in "java" (not including applets)?

To the vast majority of mankind, nothing is more agreeable than to escape the need for mental exertion... To most people, nothing is more troublesome than the effort of thinking.

I''d say you should definitley try and learn the "Big 3"

C++, Java and VB!

VB = garbage. learn COBOL.

To the vast majority of mankind, nothing is more agreeable than to escape the need for mental exertion... To most people, nothing is more troublesome than the effort of thinking.

Just to speed things up here:

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As-yet unposted posts:
"COBOL = refuse. Learn Perl."
"Perl = sewage. Learn Python."
"Python = drainage. Learn Ruby."
"Ruby = obscure. Learn Eiffel."
*ROOFLE*
"Learn Objective C."
"No, learn C#."
"C# sux0rs, java r0x0rs."

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Whatever. Learn any language that is suitable for your needs; they fall into definite subcategories of comparable technology.

And learn more than one.

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COBOL = refuse. Learn Perl.

xyzzy

Perl = sewage. Learn Python.

Heh, couldn''t resist...

C++ and Java both sucks bigtime. Everyone should use Intercal exclusively.

Fantastic doctrines (like Christianity or Islam or Marxism or Microsoft-bashing) require unanimity of belief. One dissenter casts doubt on the creed of millions. Thus the fear and hate; thus the torture chamber, the iron stake, the gallows, the labor camp, the psychiatric ward - Edward Abbey

if you want to make a full-blown commercial game, its C/C++ that you should learn, if you want to learn about languages learn both, if you want to learn forced object-orientation (not always a good thing) learn java, generally its a matter of preference, but java is better for applications than 3D games, it just doesn''t have the speed to do the games people want to play.

I would suggest learning both, where to start really depends on how you feel about OOP. If you feel OOP make things easier start in Java. If you feel more comfortable with pure imperative programming start with C++ and then learn about OOP later on.

The whole C++ vs. Java speed thing will probably all be over in a very short time. The modern Java JIT compilers are REALLY fast and garbage collection isnt the problem it used to be(see http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article1067.asp), and SUN is adding some of the 2d graphics accelleration we need for games to the core libraries(check the Java 1.4b3 SDK), and hw 3d support is available using Java3D(dont know if its good or not))

High level languages like Java(or something similar, perhaps even simpler) will naturally win out in the end, but i think C++ will hang on for a LONG time, simply because it supports so many programming paradigms and has such a large user base.

Knowing many languages is useful indeed.

However I would definatly start with Java, it will probably teach you to code somewhat cleaner.

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AP:

Didn''t you read the head line?

Nobody is asking for Delphi here!!!
The questioner asked "java vs. c++"

(Btw:
Delphi is no programming language, it''s a developing tool from Borland(Inprise).
Its language is pascal with oop stuff added.)

jave = slow, useless, bloated, lazy garbage.

To the vast majority of mankind, nothing is more agreeable than to escape the need for mental exertion... To most people, nothing is more troublesome than the effort of thinking.

"OOP is just a paradigm, usually only used in imperative languages. The imperative concept may include OOP. C++, Java Pascal... actually realize OOP. Plain C does not. "

You might be right there, its just i had a uni teacher(who worked with Prolog) who used ''imperative'' in the sense i just used it(or maybe i just minsunderstood him. What would you call an imperative language which doesnt have any support for OOP? There must be a name for the class of languages that contain C++/Java etc but not C/ASM/Basic etc.?
Still i hope my point came across okay:
Like OOP -> Java
Dont understand OOP/dislike OOP -> C++


To Jenova:
"jave = slow, useless, bloated, lazy garbage. "
I hope that was a joke, or else you really should read that article i referenced above. Some parts of Java ARE bloated and poorly programmed(ie Swing GUI system is slow as hell), but that doesnt mean the lanuage in itself is.

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Original post by Ziphnor
What would you call an imperative language which doesnt have any support for OOP? There must be a name for the class of languages that contain C++/Java etc but not C/ASM/Basic etc.?
Still i hope my point came across okay:
Like OOP -> Java
Dont understand OOP/dislike OOP -> C++ ´

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All these languages (Java, C++, C, Fortran) are imperative languages. The term "imperative" has nothing to do with whether they support OOP or not. Languages that support OOP are object orientated languages (C++, Java, Delphi...), languages that don''t support it are just called "procedural" languages like C or Fortran. VB is something in between as it still doesn''t fully support OOP.
Some information on functional programming languages (SML):
http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/stg/NOTES/node3.html

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Ziphnor
What would you call an imperative language which doesnt have any support for OOP?

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Crap? (As mentioned above, they're called Procedural, and are gear towards Modular programing.)


AP
C++, Java Pascal... actually realize OOP. Plain C does not.
UnshavenBastard
Its language is pascal with oop stuff added.

Pascal is a procedural language - the language of Delphi is called Object Pascal (which is a very good modular language, but is a deficent OO language, a-mon-avis - not nearly as bad as VB6 though).



Like OOP, Don't know how to implement it effectively -> Java
grok OOP -> C++

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Why is one better than the other. I dont understand.

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This is becasue the question is not Why one is better than the other, but Where and When.
e.g. Java is better ten years from now due to optimizing JIT compilers and MDMI-SMP computers. Or Java is better when you don't understand pointers. Java is better when your writing buggy memory-leaking code. Java is better when you don't understand multiple-inheritence. Java is better when you don't know how to use C++ templates. C++ is better when you only want to support one platform (or similar platforms, like 9x/NT, BSD/Linux, etc...).

People often say that Java is more portable, and to some extent it is. It depends on your criteria for portability. If you just want it to run everywhere, Java fits perfect. If you want it to run *well* everywhere, you have *alot* of work ahead of you and Java isn't going to help.


Magmai Kai Holmlor

"Oh, like you've never written buggy code" - Lee

"What I see is a system that _could do anything - but currently does nothing !" - Anonymous CEO

Edited by - Magmai Kai Holmlor on December 13, 2001 12:37:45 PM