How does learning take place when we talk about animals. It looks like with humans learning doesn`t stop. Our learning process and that of animals overlap up to a point. It would seem that we break the barrier of sound in terms of intelligence.
Humans are animals. If there are differences, then they are gradual. And many of them never learn anything in all of their life, while others dig it in hours.
And there is a ton of publications on the matter, from chemistry, biology, anthropology over cognitive science to psychology and philosophy. You can't seriously assume to get a reasonable answer in here. Good luck reading and learning ;-)
Green_Baron said:
And there is a ton of publications on the matter, from anthropology over cognitive science to psychology
I`m speaking of the practical side of it, how do you program it.
What it's not is the use of tools. Even crows can use tools. It's not self-awareness either, nor verbal communication. Hmm… only humans can make popcorn.
taby said:
What it's not is the use of tools. Even crows can use tools.
Crows cant build cars. Animals can use tools but only in one iteration (they cant make use of nested tools). they can`t use tools that use tools
Tools that use tools. There you have it.
@Calin The human brain excels at parallel processing at the expense of speed (by two factors: raw limitation and user focus). We can't handle many tasks on a conscious level, subconsciously there's quite a bit going on. We constantly process results based on several boolean inputs & percentages when figuring risk/reward given past experiences. We store results of trial & error learning and then interpret those results with a margin of error based on the individual (this is what makes us unique: our ability to make mistakes). We also weight those results against emotions which can override logic. We basically have a logical core and an illogical core that give us two different results and we as individuals interpret those results differently.
Logic makes us human. Some animals can use logic, we do it better.
WGS_Stillwater said:
Logic makes us human. Some animals can use logic, we do it better.
Humans are pretty illogical.
And it is not valid to search a quantitative difference.
Can dogs fly? No. Some birds fly better than other. so the difference between a bird to bird is not like the difference between a dog and a bird. A dog can not fly.
You need to find something that not happens at all in animals, but happens in humans only.
Calin said:
Crows can`t build cars.
You give a shit about cars if you can fly :D
Your' topics are priceless. But what's the question? Is it ‘why are humans smarter than animals and continue to become twice as smart everyday?’, which i doubt, or is it ‘how to code difference of humans and animals, although there is no way to code even a bee’?
But what's the question
the question is the title of the topic. My take at it is that the difference resides in our ability to build nested tools (mechanisms) but I was curious to see other opinions.
Ok, so not programming.
I think there is no fundamental difference. We are just smarter mostly, but we do not have any ability no animal has.
If you ask me, it's the wrong question. Once i was in the Zoo, and i saw apes. I saw their suffer from being locked, their sadness. It was so intense, human suffer could not beat it. It was the same thing. I felt terrible.
After that i stopped to think we are somewhat better than other animals, or different.
Ok, so not programming
Could you program an animal? (as a robot, or just the software part i.e. within a game)
JoeJ said:
If you ask me, it's the wrong question. Once i was in the Zoo, and i saw apes. I saw their suffer from being locked, their sadness. It was so intense, human suffer could not beat it. It was the same thing. I felt terrible. After that i stopped to think we are somewhat better than other animals, or different.
Actually you are wrong here.
An animal can feel only few kinds of suffer. One is hunger. Other is being closed inside a cage.
Humans can feel a lot of lot of lot of all of kind of suffers.
So it is wrong to say - “It was so intense, human suffer could not beat it.”.
Do you suffer when your program is not compiling?
How an Ape can suffer from this and a billion of other reasons to suffer.
Humans have a greater more advanced conscience than animals. And humans can realize it is painful to feel a woman inside a male body. Something an animal would never experience, because animals are much below humans in their “field of view”.
Motivation of animals is eat sleep breed repeat, and play some times.
Elephants visit the bones of dead elephants and spend time with them. Is it suffer like human's suffer for other death people? Or they just need to rub their skin on white bones for calcium or something? Hard to tell.
Notice, most of the time, the sad face a dog puts, doesn't always mean it is sad. Sometimes it learns that putting such a sad face it gets thrown a piece of food. But does the dog feel sad for real or just acts like an actor in order to get food? Hard to tell.
A hungry dog - “I am hungry. Need food. I am hungry. Need food.”
A hungry kid - “I am hungry. I need food. Where is my mother. Why daddy spends money on alcohol instead of buying me something tasty? Why am I the most disgraceful kid in the neighborhood. So poor can not talk to that girl i like. And nobody talks to me at school. So sad, i think in suicide. How come a kid thinks in suicide. I should not be thinking in that. I am just a kid. What a cruel world! I think i could steal dog food from our fat dog. If nobody sees me eating dog food, i will be not bullied later. What a cruel world. I need to write it in a poem, play it in a song, to find a relief.”
A hungry dog - “I am hungry. Need food. I am hungry. Need food.”
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Calin said:
Ok, so not programming
Could you program an animal? (as a robot, or just the software part i.e. within a game)
What is your question?
God, moderators, have mercy !
NikiTo said:
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Calin said:
Ok, so not programming
Could you program an animal? (as a robot, or just the software part i.e. within a game)
What is your question?
can you program an animal in a game to make it feel realistic in behaviour. You guys are gearing it towards morals, that`s not what I was thinking about
Calin said:
NikiTo said:
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Calin said:
Ok, so not programming
Could you program an animal? (as a robot, or just the software part i.e. within a game)
What is your question?
can you program an animal in a game to make it feel realistic in behaviour
Theoretically yes.
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NikiTo said:
Theoretically yes.
could you make the next step and program a human that behaves realistically, not just movement but also thinking, procedural behaviour
Calin said:
NikiTo said:
Theoretically yes.could you make the next step and program a human that behaves realistically, not just movement but also thinking, procedural behaviour
Theoretically yes. Not in this century.
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