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There is no world out there. there is no world out there.

Started by sicu Nov 14, 2004 at 9:38 PM 20 replies 3.4k views
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sicu
sicu
Click Repeat, "there is no world out there". "There is no world out there. There is us and TV and nothing else."
tHiSiSbOb
tHiSiSbOb
You must understantd that these companies worry about nothing but making money...Interrupting CSI will upset viewers that don't care about the world around them. This will somehow hurt the station's profit, making it a mortal sin to do so.
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Tron3k
Tron3k
Adults behave so much like children these days...
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson
23yrold3yrold
23yrold3yrold
I don't really see the problem, personally. They weren't exactly hiding the information; they just wanted to air it at a more convenient time. What's the big deal?
Jesus saves ... the rest of you take 2d4 fire damage.
stormrunner
stormrunner
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - CBS News has fired the producer responsible for interrupting the last five minutes of a hit crime drama with a special report on the death of Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, a network source said on Friday.

we wouldn't want to interrupt our shows for anything real, now would we ? besides, at 8:00 CST no one really cares.

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I don't really see the problem, personally. They weren't exactly hiding the information; they just wanted to air it at a more convenient time. What's the big deal?

are you saying that if the world was ending, you'd put off biased news coverage until after CSI ? good idea. [grin]
stormrunner
Tron3k
Tron3k
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Original post by 23yrold3yrold
I don't really see the problem, personally. They weren't exactly hiding the information; they just wanted to air it at a more convenient time. What's the big deal?
They were so pissed that this guy interrupted their precious show that they FIRED him. That's the point.
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson
Programmer One
Programmer One
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Original post by tHiSiSbOb
You must understantd that these companies worry about nothing but making money...Interrupting CSI will upset viewers that don't care about the world around them. This will somehow hurt the station's profit, making it a mortal sin to do so.


That about sums it up.

The producer didn't follow protocol, he pays the price. Come to think of it, I would have been quite pissed if SciFi decided to cut that last few minutes of Stargate to report this, if they were such a station.


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They were so pissed that this guy interrupted their precious show that they FIRED him. That's the point.


It is a cut-throat business.
Tron3k
Tron3k
There should be some room for common sense to override protocol.
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson
Programmer One
Programmer One
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Original post by Tron3k
There should be some room for common sense to override protocol.


For what? For some old leader on his death bed kicking the bucket after rotting in a hospital for a week? That can wait 5 minutes.

Not to mention common sense was built into the protocol. He was instructed to show a news crawl at the bottom of the screen which would have been just as effective as showing some person saying it to you.
Tron3k
Tron3k
Yeah ... no I was pissed at the wrong thing. The company did the right thing. What I'm really pissed off about is that there is no way they could treat the people like adults, and they know it. They know everyone'll get pissed off because they missed 5 minutes of their god damn worthless show. I don't even watch TV.
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson
ontheheap
ontheheap
And they couldn't have used a PIP, or a scrolling news ticker at the bottom to report that? The people who care about CSI and world event such as that would be able to flip between whatever channel CSI is on and FNN, or CNN, or MSNBC, or any of the other five-thousand news channels covering his death. I have to agree with Programmer One about this. If you want to watch news, watch a news station. If I'm watching CSI, or whatever, I want to see how it ends. That's why my remote control has a previous channel button!
Conner McCloud
Conner McCloud
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Original post by stormrunner
are you saying that if the world was ending, you'd put off biased news coverage until after CSI ? good idea. [grin]

The problem with that statement is that the world wasn't ending in this case. A sick man died...he'd been in the news for several days about how sick he was, so its more an update to an earlier story than breaking news.

CSI:NY is still in its infancy...its off to a killer start, but if people thing CBS is willing to interupt it at the drop of the hat, they'll stop watching. As a producer, he's kind of responsible for making sure people don't stop watching. Clearly, he's not very good at his job.

CM
Oluseyi
Oluseyi
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From the article:
According to the source, the producer failed to follow standard procedures that require a senior CBS News executive to be consulted before interrupting regular programming.

The fact Arafat already had been reported near death for several days also figured in the network's decision. The source said the producer disregarded explicit, advance instructions that breaking news of Arafat's death -- if it occurred during prime time -- was to be reported with a news "crawl" at the bottom of the screen.
This thread is stupid.
capn_midnight
capn_midnight
I certainly cared more about the last five minutes of the show than a man that showed up to a UN general assembly wearing a gun. Man of peace my ass.
Ravuya
Ravuya
I would've run a crawler, personally. Full-on interruption of a television program really isn't done anymore except in the case of amber alerts and public safety broadcasts (i.e. omfg your house is about to get pwnt by a tornado!11 now back to csi)
Tron3k
Tron3k
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Original post by Oluseyi
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From the article:
According to the source, the producer failed to follow standard procedures that require a senior CBS News executive to be consulted before interrupting regular programming.

The fact Arafat already had been reported near death for several days also figured in the network's decision. The source said the producer disregarded explicit, advance instructions that breaking news of Arafat's death -- if it occurred during prime time -- was to be reported with a news "crawl" at the bottom of the screen.
This thread is stupid.
Not so fast. The point of this thread is not whether or not rules were followed - we know they weren't. The point is whether or not it's ok to say fuck the rules. I say it is. Maybe if the Teeming Mass of Morons were treated like adults once in a while, they would grow up. Hell, interrupt their god damn shows, interrupt them every hour. Force them to be aware of more than their petty lives. Then maybe Americans wouldn't be so damn misinformed, and you wouldn't have the Village Idiot in charge of your country.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I'd like to see it.
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson
Oluseyi
Oluseyi
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Original post by Tron3k
Not so fast. The point of this thread is not whether or not rules were followed - we know they weren't. The point is whether or not it's ok to say fuck the rules. I say it is.
Really? So there should be no regularity in television programming? Local execs of national stations should be able to pretty much do whatever they want to?

Arafat dying is not information. It's not even news. He's dead; so? What geopolitical impact is that going to have, given that he's been marginalized in Israeli-Palestinian relations for a good while now. His death is a historical footnote.

Stop being so pig-headed and self-righteous. And stupid. If we wanted to be instantaneously interrupted by the least significant "current event," we'd be watching Fox News Channel, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Bloomberg or any of the other news channels. Hell, we'd be watching news television while listening to news radio!

It's our right to be dis- and misinformed if we so choose. Don't like it? Get over it.
Tron3k
Tron3k
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Original post by Oluseyi
Really? So there should be no regularity in television programming? Local execs of national stations should be able to pretty much do whatever they want to?
Not even the point.

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Arafat dying is not information. It's not even news. He's dead; so? What geopolitical impact is that going to have, given that he's been marginalized in Israeli-Palestinian relations for a good while now. His death is a historical footnote.
Not true. His death removes the key scapegoat for the inability of the world (and the US in particular) to ensure peace. What happens next will be important.

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Stop being so pig-headed and self-righteous. And stupid. If we wanted to be instantaneously interrupted by the least significant "current event," we'd be watching Fox News Channel, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Bloomberg or any of the other news channels. Hell, we'd be watching news television while listening to news radio!
If you noticed, my rant was basically, I don't care what you want.

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It's our right to be dis- and misinformed if we so choose.
Not in a democracy.
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson
Conner McCloud
Conner McCloud
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Original post by Tron3k
Not so fast. The point of this thread is not whether or not rules were followed - we know they weren't. The point is whether or not it's ok to say fuck the rules. I say it is. Maybe if the Teeming Mass of Morons were treated like adults once in a while, they would grow up. Hell, interrupt their god damn shows, interrupt them every hour. Force them to be aware of more than their petty lives. Then maybe Americans wouldn't be so damn misinformed, and you wouldn't have the Village Idiot in charge of your country.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I'd like to see it.

I agree, 100%. In fact, I propose that the next time an old, sick person dies, NBC should send out swarms of people to knock on doors, just in case anybody happens to be not watching TV when the guy eats it.

Important news gets a crawler, alerting people to the news, and giving them the choice to switch to a news network if they want to learn more. See, choices. Adults are supposed to be able to make them on their own.

CM
Tron3k
Tron3k
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Original post by Conner McCloud
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Original post by Tron3k
Not so fast. The point of this thread is not whether or not rules were followed - we know they weren't. The point is whether or not it's ok to say fuck the rules. I say it is. Maybe if the Teeming Mass of Morons were treated like adults once in a while, they would grow up. Hell, interrupt their god damn shows, interrupt them every hour. Force them to be aware of more than their petty lives. Then maybe Americans wouldn't be so damn misinformed, and you wouldn't have the Village Idiot in charge of your country.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I'd like to see it.

I agree, 100%. In fact, I propose that the next time an old, sick person dies, NBC should send out swarms of people to knock on doors, just in case anybody happens to be not watching TV when the guy eats it.

Important news gets a crawler, alerting people to the news, and giving them the choice to switch to a news network if they want to learn more. See, choices. Adults are supposed to be able to make them on their own.

CM
Yeah, well, they can't. Sorry.
“[The clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man” - Thomas Jefferson

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