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Started by sEntiEnt May 31, 2001 at 4:35 PM 554 replies 49.6k views
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sEntiEnt
sEntiEnt
Ok I used to be a christian and i have nothing against them for the most part, but after reading some of the stuff on a site my friend pointed me too, i think their morals can be way too extreme.... Heres some examples of whats written on the site Futurama -viewer comments... I wouldn''t recommend this show for young children, but I personally find the satire highly amusing. As far as there being aliens in it... well it IS fantasy so I don''t see a problem there. --Cristi, age 23 "Futurama" keeps the tradition of "The Simpsons''" lampooning modern culture, except this time we see 1999 being made fun of by people from 3000! The run down: A pizza delivery (Fry) guy is stuck in a cryogenic chamber and is frozen until 3000. Here he meets a one-eyed woman named Leela and a boozer robot named Bender. At this point, they become something of a UPS for the 31st century, sending packages for Fry''s Great great great great nephew. The good: "The Simpson''s" inspired satire. American''s obession with THINGS and television is kept here. The funny characters and creative aliens (it''s FANTASY, so aliens exist, don''t take it too personal). The ability of the major chartacters to put their friends in front of their personal needs. The bad: There IS a bit of sex and iffy language. In one scene Leela goes to bed with an ego-driven ship captain (to her defense, she regrets it quite a bit, and we all see that one mistake like this can have long lasting consequenses). Also, Bender drinks quite a bit and is brash at times. The ugly: Leela''s one eye!! Eeek! Overall, this is NOT a cartoon for kids. Mature teens and adults can enjoy it if they keep it in moderation and do not let it get in way of their relationship with God. --Justin, age 22 I can agree that the show is blasphemous and just downright nasty. I''d also never let my kids or myself anywhere near it... --Bob Smith, age 50 Not only does this show contain sexual innuendo, blasphemy against our faith, and promotes the false belief in alien life forms, but it also takes place in the year 3000 (by which time the rapture will most likely have come)... --Eddie Reynolds, age 25 Monty Python''s Flying Circus (Re-runs) -viewer comments... This is the most morally bankrupt piece of trash I have ever seen. Full of blasphemy, sick violence and levels of profanity and nudity that would be unacceptable on network TV in America (which itself contains too much), no decent Christian should go near this trash, and the fact that it is regarded as ''classic'' shows how this country needs firmer Christian values. --Chet, age 21 The Simpsons -viewer comments... I think this show deserves a huge bursting red A (avoid) for its rating. Why? There are too many reasons. Some include swearing and unpoliteness, violence and discrimination. Bart swears a lot in the show, and always disagrees with his father, who is NOT a good role model in the family at all! Marge is the only level headed one in the entire show. Sometimes this show has a section about a mouse and cat doing terribly violent things to themselves or each other. It is very disturbing and is terribly graphic (as graphic as a cartoon can be). Also, they make fun of Christianity or are completely against it (There was one show where Bart was praying and I think all he said was what he wanted. And when it came to the thanking God part, he replied "Oh, I don''t have to thank God for anything. What did God give me anyway?" -- it was something in that context.) I found it very sad that people enjoy this show and it should be placed in the same category as "South Park". --NK, age 14 I can''t believe that the blatant cynicism and mockery of Christ in the droning character of the town preacher, and Ned Flanders the bumbling nerd/Christian next door neighbor, combined with Bart''s consistent cursing don''t get this show an Avoid with a capital A. I don''t think there''s anything Christians should find funny in any of that. Of course, the show *is* meant to be an outrageous parody on life in the suburbs. Although it thankfully avoids sexual innuendo most of the time, it''s still pretty disturbing. It''s the first show in a sequence of lower standards that have left us with the likes of SouthPark. What''s next?! --Grant, age 26 The Weakest Link -viewer comments... I find this show very demeaning to the participants and viewers. It is cut-throat in nature and promotes mean-spiritedness and emnity between the participants. The sharp-tongued hostess is cold and cutting to the participants, an act, no doubt, but it is being done in such a way as to make it seem not only acceptable, but actually "cool". A very confusing message for younger viewers. For adults with the stomach to watch such rancor, it''s probably interesting, even amusing. I personally don''t find it to be enjoyable entertainment. --P Tropepe, age 41 The X-Files -viewer comments Although many of the opinions expressed about the X-Files refer to the quality of the writing and other production aspects of the show, one cannot overlook the blatant occult messages presented in this program. I have viewed only about three full episodes and found the shows content definitely not for Christian viewing. On one notable episode, the subject matter dealt with Voodoo and transmutation. In another episode (and apparently many of the other shows) deal with extraterrestrials. Christians need to be aware that these "extraterrestrials" are actually inter dimensional beings that the Bible has clearly identified as demons... --Todd Warren Rugrats -viewer comments... [go to movie review] In the past, I felt there was no harm in my children watching this program. Today, there is no problem with our 10 year old, but our 7 year old was acting like Angelica showing no respect toward others. There were only two places she learned this behavior, the T.V., or the Christian school (a good school) she attends. She watched Rugrats for years, and is not allowed to watch it anymore. She cannot differentiate between who''s behavior is good and who''s is not acceptable. --Craig Belmont, age 44 How can they have a go at Rugrats? This is stupid.. oh but then there is the games area of the site too QUAKE 3 I personally do not like this game. ...First off we have the graphics which like in most ID games scream satan worship. Must every Wall be covered in Flesh and Satanic Symbols? It succeeds in making the enviornment more evil but not more fun. I personally find seeing upside down crosses and demonic statues a turn off. As for the weapons they are unimaginative and rather bland. The Graphic Quality of the engine is displayed throughout the game is nothing short of beautiful showing off the capabilities of the Quake 3 Engine although I''d wish that they would get rid of the evil symbols. The Music ranges from some sort of gothic nightmare, to high energy techno and dance music. The Ambient Sounds add to this Balantly Satanic monstrosity. While they are good in quality, They are still satanic. For Gameplay This is a POOR choice for modem users as the bots are terrible and from where I am I had a hard time finding servers that were good enough. I also disagree with the balance in weapons. The Lighting Gun just doesn''t seem to be very good and the grenade launcher is an utterly useless weapon tending to hurt the user more than the enemies... My Ratings: [1/2] --Anon., age 17 Unreal Tournament I checked this game out in demo, pre-release form as part of a cyber party where I and a few friends create a LAN and play games for hours. The game play and graphics are so incredible and adrenaline-building, I was hooked for a while. I even installing the production version to further evaluate whether or not I wanted to purchase the game. That''s when I realized that there is no pretense in this game about the designed-in attitude toward violence. As written in the review, violence against your neighbor is the purpose of the game, and the violence is graphic. The level of gore/dismemberment and type of allowable taunts might be adjustable, but when playing, the violence of what your weapon does to the opponent is ALWAYS extreme. And I realized that I had been suppressing a sense of revulsion at the violence for the sake of the engaging gameplay and action. So, I uninstalled it and returned the game while asking the Lord to help me learn from this. If you are playing this game, I encourage you to question to what degree you are becoming insensitive to wanton, gruesome violence against your neighbor. Soldier-play has its purpose, even for Christians, but this game goes too far. My Ratings: [2/5] --Bruce Bawcom, age 33 DOOM "The player is seen as merely a hand with a gun ready to kill. At first you think your mission is to save your Marine friends, but you quickly find out that they are either already dead or under the demons’ control. Your only hope for survival is to kill your friends or be killed by them. You are literally being trained to kill your "friends." When they die, you see their blood spatter on the dark and eerie walls. You hear the demons growling and you know they are lurking around every corner. You can almost feel them breathing down the back of your neck. The fright is real! As you fight your way through each level, you notice many of your Marine friends disemboweled and crucified with pentagrams drawn on the walls in their blood. When you end up being killed by the progressively bigger and badder demons on each new level, the screen pans back to show your dying body crumpled to the ground and the bloodthirsty demons eating you like a piece of meat. The game is completed only after you have survived a great number of levels, each requiring scores if not hundreds of hours to master." "It is not illegal to kill demons but this game definitely teaches to shoot first and ask questions later. As stated earlier your "friends" have now become the enemy and you must kill them to survive. Unlike police training where you are taught to identify "good guys" from "bad guys", anything that moves is your enemy and should be blasted instantly--even your friends! Extra points are given for a shot in the head." "Playing for many hours could be cause for anxiety and/or depression. Playing for hundreds of hours is getting you ready to take action against anyone who gets in your way. Doom receives a 41% (F) due to the abundance of violence, gore, and occult influence." The links are: Tv ratings game reviews What do you guys think about what they are saying? I think some of it just straight bias, do they forget that christianity is a cult too? flame.me resist [BANNERS]
Sandman
Sandman
I dont really care what they think - if they dont want to watch the simpsons then that is their loss. But if they ever expect me to stop enjoying something because it is against their religion (or percieved to be) then they can f**k right off.
Myopic Rhino
Myopic Rhino
To me it seems like this site is by Christians for other Christians, so these reviews are exactly what I'd expect. If these were reviews written for the general population, I'd have a problem with it, but as it is...

Btw, since this thread deals with religion, according to the forum rules, it is probably going to have to be closed.
sEntiEnt
sEntiEnt
ok then.... but it doesn''t really deal with religion as such, more the opinions of christians.

resist [BANNERS]
jonnyfish
jonnyfish
This doesn''t deal with religion; it deals with fanaticism. It shouldn''t be closed unless things get really nasty.


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Epolevne
Epolevne
I''d just like to point out that people are Individuals. We are all more than the sum of our affiliations, beliefs, and genes. So when you group individual opinions (like these) you''re bound to only be getting part of the picture.

I''m a Christian, and personally don''t agree with many of the statements.

Epolevne
sEntiEnt
sEntiEnt
You''ll notice that in some of the games reviews, the statements are actually wrong, if you read the doom review it said you get more points for shooting in the head...

I wouldn''t mind if they got the facts right before calling something evil

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jonnyfish
jonnyfish
Then you could shoot Jesus in the head with a rocket launcher! I don''t think they''d like that, either.

sEntiEnt
sEntiEnt
Isn''t it the level Zigurat Vertigo in Quake that has one of the textures as Jesus hung on the cross?

The reason I don''t think they ever mention it is because its a secret level... *shrugs*

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Hoside
Hoside
imo everyone has a right to watch what ever they want but that doesn''t mean they should be able to ban or change other peoples shows. Which it seems they''re not doing so this is very dumb thing to post.

- Goblineye Entertainment
Big B
Big B
This is the sort of thing that I would expect from ChristianAnswers.net. I reminds me of the time my girlf took me to the Metropolitan Bible Church for her grandpa''s birthday party. I''d talk about that some more but it result in this turning into a religious war and get the post closed.

I think this thread should have been called "Christian Stupidity"
granat
granat
I wonder what went wrong with these people.
-------------Ban KalvinB !
KalvinB
KalvinB
For those of you who''ve participated in other religious topics in this forum...it''s me again.

Being a Christian myself...I''m apalled that the word "rapture" was used as well as "by that time" in the same sentence. It''s the most bible ignorant thing to say. Okay...maybe not the most, but it''s up there.

I can''t get enough of intellectual movies (12 Monkeys, Se7en, American Beauty, ect). I don''t care what it''s rated. The problem with the general population of Christians it seems is that they are incapable of seeing past the gore or whatever to what''s really being said.

I watch the Simpson''s when I get a chance as well as Futurama. They''re great shows.

The general population of Christians are so intent on showing their children only pretty pictures that they don''t realize how hypocritical it is considering how violent and vulgar the Bible can be. David looking down on some naked woman?! Oh dear. Saul plants himself on his sword. Oh the violence. Judas spilling his guts after jumping off a cliff. How dare that be written.

I think kids shouldn''t see such things until they can understand them. When adults can''t understand them...we have a problem.

I could go on but I won''t. I''d just like to point out that those views expressed by those quoted in the first post are solely their own and not necessary shared by the entire Christian population. Please judge accordingly. Thank you.

Ben
The Rabbithole



Houdini
Houdini
I''m Christian, and I don''t agree with any of those quotes. Heck, most of my friends are Christian, and they love Quake, Simpsons, etc, as do I myself.

Of course everyone''s entitled to their own opinions. Just don''t think that ALL, or even most, Christians think that way. I mean, those people may be Americans too, but that doesn''t mean that most Americans hate Quake, Simpsons, etc.

Remember, those quotes are from a very religious website. I doubt your average Christian visits it. Those quotes were pretty much what I''d expect.


- Houdini
Houdini
mk83
mk83
According to the law of freedom of speech, anyone can have thier own points of view/opinions, if you do not agree with the them then fine, if you want to discuss them then fine, but please do insult the people or there views, thier experience of life is somewhat different to yours and quite frankly it does not mean that they are wrong or stupid.

I agree with some of what is said in those quotes, why? beacause of what I have experienced in my life, what I know to be true according to my own beliefs and values, if you don''t like it then fine, I will not insult you because of it!!!

Now I think the post should be closed, if you want to discuss religon go somewhere else, or do it in private, I don''t feel like coming here to read racial or religious slurs.

Regards,
Mk83
Densun
Densun
I, too, am a Christian who does not agree with what those people say. Those are the people who haven't actually read/understood the Bible.

As another note, I don't see why people think The Simpsons makes fun Christianity. Sure they poke fun at Christian people, but I don't remember them ever attacking the actual religion. And it's not like they focus on it either; they make fun of everything.

EDIT: I wonder what they'd think if they knew one of iD's level designers is a Christian?

Edited by - Densun on June 1, 2001 10:00:37 AM
Stoffel
Stoffel
That cracks me up, mk83: freedom of speech is OK as long as nobody''s insulted, and this post should be closed? LOL.

I heard a remark pertaining to the US''s recent idea about government support for faith-based services; a Wiccan was quoted with the following pithy statement: "Is your faith so weak that you need to legislate people into following it?"

Many Christians, especially born-again (being one of the newer faiths), are still in the "my dogmatic philosophy doesn''t stink" mindset. Hello? Crusades? Inquisition? The KKK calls itself Christian too.

These same Christians show complete disregard for their own faith. There are two commandments in Christianity: love the Lord your God above all else, and love your neighbor as yourself. These commandments are alike; by doing one, you do the other. Christians who wish to censor or restrict or criticise others are ignoring the base tenant of their religion.

If they paid attention to the gospel, they would know that Jesus never, ever, ever supported people who would ask him to rebuke others. More often than not, it was the complainer that was rebuked. If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out. Before you point out the speck in your neighbor''s eye, remove the mote from your own. He who is without sin throw the first stone. I could go all day.

If Jesus were alive today, do you think he would be on the side of these born-agains? He might approve of some, those who followed His ways of love and acceptance, and who spread His word through joy and love, not oppression. But I guarantee there''d be some holy ass-whuppin''s to be dealt.
Densun
Densun
I have a feeling Robert Jordan modeled the Whitecloaks after certain fanaticals.
furby100
furby100
quote:
Original post by sEntiEnt

promotes the false belief in alien life forms, but it also takes place in the year 3000 (by which time the rapture will most likely have come)...
--Eddie Reynolds, age 25


I had trouble recovering after reading this from laughing too much.

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Marge is the only level headed one in the entire show.

Clearly doesn''t get it that that is the point of the entire thing.

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Sometimes this show has a section about a mouse and cat doing terribly violent things to themselves or each other. It is very disturbing and is terribly graphic (as graphic as a cartoon can be).


Doesn''t he know it''s a parody of Tom & Jerry?
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--NK, age 14

This part shocked me. What is wrong with this person?

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A very confusing message for younger viewers.

Doesn''t understand that children aren''t stupid.

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Christian school (a good school) she attends.


I think the blame lies there.

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When they die, you see their blood spatter on the dark and eerie walls.


Load of old horseshite. No such thing happens.

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When you end up being killed by the progressively bigger and badder demons on each new level, the screen pans back to show your dying body crumpled to the ground and the bloodthirsty demons eating you like a piece of meat.


Again, a load of old shite. This person has the game confused with Resident Evil.

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The game is completed only after you have survived a great number of levels, each requiring scores if not hundreds of hours to master.


Took me 18 hours the first time. The writer of this must be crap at the game.

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Extra points are given for a shot in the head.


That is shite. The enemies are bitmaps for god''s sake. How could it tell if you shot in the head? It doesn''t even give points, it just tots up your kills and time taken for the level at the end of the round.

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What do you guys think about what they are saying?


What is clear is that they don''t understand the type of ironic humour in the Simpsons, or the surreal humour in Monty Python.
As for the Doom comments, since most of them are made up or transplanted from other games and the playing time grossly exaggerated, the whole thing is useless. Still, it''s quite amusing to read.
TheEnderBean
TheEnderBean
Since this is a publicly accessible site, I believe that closing the post would be a violation of freedom of speech and expression. As far as I can see no one is out of line here. Discussing relgion should not be a problem.. when it does.. we are all in trouble.

With that said, I attended "Christian" schools from grades a 5-12. In that time I''v met many different types of christians, from Catholic, Moderate, to Born Again (which later turned to an actual cult). My personal judgment after having attended College, gone to Europe 3 times, and am now getting marrier to a Physical/Cultural Anthropologist, is that I have a great respect for people of all religions/cultures so long as they respect me (hmm "..do unto others" The problem I have with the many "born again" types that I''ve met is thier intollerance. Intollerance to others view points, and religions is very dangerous to our world, and this has been proven throughout history.

My personal viewpoint is that I believe it is arrogant to assume that your paradigm of religion, among the thousands of other religions that have been here longer, is the only correct way of looking at the world. Unfortunately, that is the problem with completely allying yourself to one train of thought. Logically, you should assume that what Buddism posits must be in conflict with Christianity states.. but should you? I that logical? Ahh.. the debate goes on.. as it should.

What I do know, is that WE are here and that how we treat one an another, and what we say to one another is more important than a relationship with an entity that may or may not be there. Christians, and other religions that believe in a supreme being, always say they KNOW God exists, yet they cannot bring me to him/her/it so we can all sit down and talk. Christians say they KNOW God exists because the Bible says so. Thats a falacy, and I will not bet my entire centers of logic, and throw them out the window because someone points to a book and says that is thier proof. If I only used one source, or even multiple sources to write an argument paper, that alone does not justify my conclusions in my paper, and anyone who has studied the art of rhetoric would tell you this.

"Ours is a young world culture, and our individual concerns drive us to settle for what is comfortable to believe, not to strive and seek for what is true." --Heath Hamilton Liles

"The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end"

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