gambling vs video games

If shooting a bunch of innocent people only because of their nationality in an airport is educational, then i would rather gamble….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Russian

NikiTo said:
If shooting a bunch of innocent people only because of their nationality in an airport is educational, then i would rather gamble….

Or you go play one of the literal 100000000 other games that don't include that one level from MWII. Oumpf.

On a more serious note, whats the point of that one (agreably disturbing) example from a shooter to say about games as whole?

Calin said:
What`s the difference between a gambling game and a video game? It is the educational factor?

What does that even mean? A gambling game you put money in in the hopes of getting more out by pure chance (more or less depending on the game). And a video game is nothing like that? Now with the whole lootbox-fiasco videogames are getting gambling-like mechanics, but still…

@Juliean This is one of the worst less educational games/levels i can think of. It is related to the OP. It is just the worst of the worst. Next in my list is a psycho masturbating over dead bodies in Outlast. Outlast got 10/10(Outlast 2 is 9/10) in reviews. What Outlast educates you about?

Shooting zombies is not educational either. It is pure entertainment. Hardly a game can be educational and fun at the same time. IMHO, i can not think of a fun game that teaches you something. I try it. Can you come up with some example? I mean, excluding board games for playing in family. What Doom is “educating” you about? It is pure entertainment.

There is an episode of South Park where the teacher fools the kids that reading a book is fun. They read it entirely, but found no fun in it. So they realized they were tricked into learning, and they were angry about it. I would stop playing if i kill a boss in Doom and they show me a cutscene telling me something about history and then: “Remember that important year in history, brave hero! You will need it. It will be the password of the weapons box in the next level.” WUT?!

Games are fun. Studying is not fun. I wanna have fun, not educate myself, or study.

Some puzzle games make you think. Is this educational? It is developmental. You learn no new useful facts from most of puzzle games. Not to mention, that wasting your time and solving a puzzle are two different things - you have to push a box to get to a key to open a door to get a saw to cut a lock to get an oxygen lamp to open a safe box to get a password from inside to unlock a terminal to can see the location of a new key…………….

("no russians" is not fun for me)

NikiTo said:
If shooting …

you`re painting with a wide brush. I see the examples you come up with as twists to an otherwise respected norm.

Calin said:
What`s the difference between a gambling game and a video game? It is the educational factor?

Former is for money, latter is for fun. Neither is educational.

JoeJ said:
Neither is educational

Video games are a constructive (meaningfull) representation of reality. Except puzzle games maybe.

I just came up with a game that could be fun and educational. Maybe.

If the parameters of the cars in AAA car racing games are correct, you learn facts about the hypercars. Not very useful for a non-multi-millionaire.

I learned from games to lift the gas pedal in curves. It helps a lot with a real car. First time i drove a car i was already using this intuitively, thanks to XBox.

@Calin games are developmental. Rarely, extremely rarely they are fun and educational at the same time.

With any game you build a skill. Rarely useful in teal life.

Professional fly simulators could be educational too. I think some tank battle games try to be accurate with the real parameters of the tanks.

I've seen teachers in the military, explaining strategy to students with 3D gfx like in a game. How fun it is for students to be examined with a game, i don't know.

Games are money just like gambling.

But gambling is not fun. I have seen people spending the whole night playing for 5 cents up, 5 cents down. They were looking like zombies. They are victims. Not looking like having fun.

Gambling in games makes me sad when i play.

A detective game, could be educational and useful. A little bit boring for my personal tastes. It can teach you how to leave less traces on a crime scene, and it teaches you to trust nobody. Discovery crime channel helped me a lot to be pessimistic, to trust nobody, and to consider everybody a criminal. It helps in life.

NikiTo said:
Rarely, extremely rarely they are fun and educational

all games are educational, even a game like Starcraft. SciFi is as educational as history.

NikiTo said:
to trust nobody,

thats not a bad thing, Its all about the degree to which you trust/distrust(mistrust?). On the one hand trusting without reserves and/or everyone you meet/know is bad, on the other hand distrusting/being paranoic about some people (your spouse) is just as bad.

Kerbal Space Program tries to teach people something real.
But sci-fi rarely teaches something. It is all invented. Not educational.

In the end of the games, occasionally, some games try to teach the player about morals. But moral is super uncertain.

Last Of Us ending taught is wrong morals for example. But in exchange, it was something real. Before agendas infected that franchise too…

NikiTo said:
rarely teaches something. It is all invented

science fiction has to have some grounding in real life. Its just an alternative view on human evolution (scientific evolution ) . It highlights the problems/challenges the man kind will face. Its impossible to predict exactly how the future will look, foretellers have to use the existing terminology/notions (terminology that is current to their time) to depict future realities.

Calin said:

NikiTo said:
rarely teaches something. It is all invented

science fiction has to have some grounding in real life. It`s just an alternative view on human evolution (scientific evolution ) . It highlights the problems/challenges the man kind will face.

It is a game of terms.

Sci-fi rarely is based even 10% on real science. It is like saying that movies about Hackers teach something about programming. Nothing real at all.

Maybe sci-fi can inspire you to study about physics and find out how boring human's space program is, compared to aliens in movies. Certain CEOs misinform more about space than teaching something. Because of certain CEOs, most of humans believe that walking on Mars is the same like walking your dog in the backyard. Nothing was learnt, only harmful misinformation with the sole purpose of making money.

NikiTo said:
movies about Hackers teach something about programming

no they dont teach programming, at the time they were made most people had little interest in programming (or hardly knew what programming is). the purpose was to depict programming as a new reality (without boring details) and how it will shift society. You cant compress 4 years of CS into 1 hour the movies also have a plot/story there is no place for real life stuff.

Calin said:

NikiTo said:
movies about Hackers teach something about programming

no they don`t teach programming, at the time they were made most people had little interest in programming (or hardly knew what programming is). the purpose was to depict programming as a new reality (without boring details)

Movies about hacking are dangerous. If a kid watches a movie about hackers, could believe it is easy-peasy and google for toolkits, and download lot of infected software that allows it to “hack” with one click and having not idea about networking. But at the same time, the poor kid is being hacked and used by the creators of these toolkits.

Everybody who considers hacking should first learn about networking and this will make him understand how far from reality movies about hackers are. And how dangerous for a kid is to try "hacking" without the needed knowledge.

A movie about hacking is dangerous because it can give a kid problems. Gov owns the cables and gov sees it absolutely all. Kids should forget about hacking.

NikiTo said:
could believe it is easy-peasy and google for toolkits, and download lot of infected software that allows it to “hack” with one click and having not idea about networking

that is fiction. If a kid caught inspiration from a movie - good job for movie makers. But that`s about it. Real life is in a different order of magnitude.