I am a self confessed asshole. And I'm usually a rude person. I don't tk (intentionally).

I would derive great pleasure though, as I'm sure several others here would, at seeing Oluysei ban you. Especially now that I just read these last 7 pages of you blathering on, rehashing the same thing over and over.

>>voteban Vanke

(Oh and btw, for some reason I now read your name as 'wanker' - not sure why)

Quote:Original post by Servant of the Lord
Don't ban him by his beliefs. I hate TKing but that is no bannable offense just as much as being annoying here is. I understand what he is saying but I don't agree, that doesn't mean I want him banned.

Oh no, I just want him banned for my enjoyment. And that of several of my peers. Afterall, I dont care about his enjoyment of the forums.

Quote:Original post by Vanke
I'm going to post one last reply for the evening.


I must confess I haven't TKed or done any griefing since I was a teenager and I've grown up a lot since then. I don't do it know and I won't do it know, but that doesn't mean that I see anything wrong with it. To me it's a childish thing to do but I don't see it affecting anyone more negativly then say an annoying little brother or sister.


Like I have stated before i wrote this post to discuss the article in the OP and nothing more. I defended myself from a couple of attacks simply because it was fun. I don't know why you people care so much about this subject. Why does it matter so much to you what my morals and ethics are in real life? I thought I had stated several times that those beliefs I hold are different then the ones I hold in a videogame or I should say ones I held in a videogame years ago?


Anyways more will come later I have to go meet my girlfriend for dinner, infact i think i'm going to be late, so for you people that hate me because of a stupid belief I hold. Your gonna be happy i'm not gettin any tongiht.

Also is there any way to have my rating reset? I would like to be able to reply to peoples programming questions and have them not think i'm a total waste of a programmer becuase I have such a low rating? If there isn't i'm just going to roll up another character here on this server.


Good night all my fellow GameDevelopers.

it seems you are quite willing to waste our time on the internet. we who have dilligently waded through this thread and tryed to figure out why you are unwilling to empathise with those you you were playing CS with.

so should you have your rating reset. no. you waste our time that is our (little) punishment. BTW, i have not rated you down. your actions in CS have nothing to do with game programming (i feel). so i wont rate you down. i can feel what it would be like if i held an unpopular opinion and my rating dropped. that is why i dont do it.

you may think i am overusing the word empathy and its derivatives. i am not. i am trying to get across to you the reason why many of us find your behaviour childish, immature and irresponsible.

http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

Quote:Original post by Vanke
[...]I didn't tk anyone to disrupt their time, that was never my intent, i never tked to hurt or cause harm to anyone, that never entered my trhinking at all.[...]

What do you call intentionally eliciting cries of frustration, anger, and hate? You intentionally interfered with peoples enjoyment (and thus also the time they alloted for the enjoyment). The fact that your own enjoyment is your reason for doing so does not change what you did (and in fact, it might make things worse since that same excuse is often used by the worst in society).

Quote:[...]Also once again sorry on the late reply I have to bus it from downtown ottawa to the west end of the city not exactly the fastest at rush hour.

No problem, I just saw that you read my message and noticed neither a reply via pm nor in the thread, nor were you listed as writing a reply in the 'who is online' page, so I incorrectly presumed that you were unwilling to continue the discussion.

Quote:Original post by Vanke
[...]BUt i'm being honest by saying that I never did it to hurt anyone merely to cause frustration.[...]

Whether you think you caused harm or not is irrelevant. Are you saying you just misspoke when you said it wasn't your fault and that you actually meant something else? As I said, their suffering (even if it was 'only' mental anguish aka frustration) was a direct result of your choice, yet you said it wasn't your fault. It isn't your intentions I am arguing about right now, but rather the results of your actions and the person responsible for those results.

Quote:Original post by Vanke
[...]Why do I have to have a consistant rule, do you have a consistant rule in how you treat people.[...]

A consistant rule is neccessary for others to be able to understand your position. If you seem to flip a coin for every moral decision, for example, nobody would have any understanding of your actions at all, and creating a reason behind all the actions (which is what people do when trying to understand other people) would be very difficult.

I have a constant rule for appling my standard - the same standard initially apply to all people, but they cease to apply to a specific person when that person shows that he/she is unwilling to abide by the standard and has no logical reason to do so. My standards are very simple, and can be summarized as 'respect others'.